Featured Question with Forrest Fenn: The Treasure Chest Remains Hidden

thrill of the chase treasure chest

The Hidden Treasure Chest

Mr Fenn,

People are saying you went and retrieved the treasure and there is even a video on U-tube that says that. If you did, I think you should tell everyone.  Wondering,  Janice

 

Thanks for the question Janice. I receive a dozen emails each day that tell me I retrieved the treasure. It is not true, and I will never go back and get it. If someone finds it I will make an announcement on the blog. f

 

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194 Responses

  1. delayah says:

    Hopefully, not for long! 🙂

  2. delayah says:

    Thank You for keeping us up-to-date Mr Fenn! Thank you for posting Jenny!

  3. Crimsonblaze says:

    What blog?

  4. Brzezinski001 says:

    I’m glad it’s still out there even though I am late to the party. I read the poem for the first time on Aug 1, 2017. Have had a fun time (for the most part) searching. I’ll have it next spring:-)

  5. Sunshine says:

    Thank you Forrest for clarifying that for all of us. I never believed any of
    those crazy stories that I’ve heard about you retrieving the treasure, I think
    maybe those people have been drinking too much or something.

  6. Twingem says:

    Bummer

  7. Snider says:

    Janice
    We as searchers need to ask what good would it do for Forrest to retrieve his treasure, and tell everyone?
    Better yet
    We as searchers need to ask ourselves? What good will it do to tell everyone when you find the treasure?
    Seems to me the 16th line in the poem no longer pertains?

  8. Spallies says:

    Thanks for the question Janice!!! And thank you for answering Forrest! Forrest if you had retrieved it would you take it back to your Fenn Den? Thank you too Jenny!

  9. Ramona says:

    Huh, interesting. Thank you Mr. Fenn and Jenny.

  10. Ramona says:

    Uh oh I forgot to thank Janice. Thank you Janice 🙂

  11. Kee says:

    I sure hope you haven’t retrieved it, cause we still have 1 more chance to go and get it before the snow falls. This time I know will be Victory!!!

  12. Kee says:

    Hey JC ,
    What about Ma’s Mansion?

  13. Beef stew says:

    On the last featured question comment thread I mentioned believing that someone had solved all of the clues and the reasoning in believing that. With this answer bunched so closely to those I firmly think that is the truth and Mr.Fenn is preparing us for the ending of the great chase. This is in no way to insinuate that it is I with the correct solve. Beef stew currently is without a solve so this information doesn’t help me one bit, but I really feel the last few weeks have been telling.

  14. Jake says:

    I’m just waiting at this point. It’s so much fun reading the blogs everyday. I just have to work on not giving it away in the meantime… 🙁

  15. Pen Ghost says:

    I believe it is hidden. I believe if he says he will not go back for it, that he will not go back. I have never spotted a false statement from him. So, it is hidden. What I question lately is the comment a couple of years ago – maybe 2013 – it said something like if you don’t have the first clue nailed down, stay home and play canasta. I thought it did not matter about the first clue and that it was all about getting outdoors – so this old statement concerns me a bit about the intent of it all. What difference should it make about the first clue other than you will not find the chest without it being nailed down. It was supposed to be about being outdoors or has the intent changed? Maybe intent is more important than whether it is still there and hidden.

  16. Pen Ghost says:

    By ‘find’ it, I think he means to touch it like George Washington. And no one has touched it to his knowledge. So for those who all know where it is, the location is not good enough; you have to go out and touch it to find it. Hands-on requires BOG etc. IMO Until he has a hands-on the chest, there would be no message other than the same – go out and find it. IMO

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      Yep. This answers your previous question about the intent. No one will know for sure until they touch the gold.

      • Pen Ghost says:

        I believe so and it is all about touching it. I think, though, there will be a little time between the find it and announcement. I think it will be that way so the finder can have a breather to digest the find. Looking forward to another long winter’s nap to read, think, dream before another summer outdoors.

  17. JDA says:

    YEA! I still have a chance – no matter how slim that chance may be – YEA! JDA

  18. Farcus says:

    one dozen emails a day?! Over 10% of Fenn’s emails accuse him of retrieving the chest?

    Is there a trust issue here? Why repeat this “will announce on the blog(s)?” Have we reached that point in the Chase where we all need to be constantly reassured?

    • Pen Ghost says:

      Farcus, I think it is a matter of a few people who have been involved in the chase for over 4 years. They think they finally have the coordinates of the location and go BOG and it is not there. After 4 years and being hopeful, they begin to wonder if it is still there. IMO it is still there but some need the reassurance from f. IMO I do not believe that he retrieved it – He said he did not retrieve it and that is a solid answer that I believe. But perhaps I have not spent as much time and money as others have spend throughout the last number of years. Actually, I spent very little ‘extra’ money in my adventures. I live in an RV which makes it easier to roam any or all 4 states without the additional expenses of motels, dinners out, etc.

  19. Kedar's Mom says:

    Does f mean he will announce when it has been retrieved? Found and retrieved are two different things.

  20. Iceman says:

    Important clue => curtailment
    (Good idea)

  21. Farcus says:

    What is a U-tube?

  22. Jdiggins says:

    Hidden…still….

  23. Iceman says:

    Just in case you are wondering, “group think” will not help you find the treasure. Instead it will more likely hinder you. My opinion.

  24. Iceman says:

    If your solve is less than 300 pages long, you aren’t there yet. And there are no short cuts! My opinion.

    • tighterfocus says:

      About 50 pages is sufficient, in my opinion. Your fonts, spacing, and sheet size may vary.

    • JDA says:

      Well, I am at page 348 – Does that mean I am close??? I sure hope so – JDA

      • Iceman says:

        Maybe. What state are you in? Did you convert the poem into a detailed map? Are you certain you have discovered the first clue?

        • JDA says:

          I live in Idaho, my “spot” is in Wyoming – Yes, I converted the poem into a detailed map, and Yes I am as certain as one can be without Indulgence that I have the correct wwwh. JDA

      • Pen Ghost says:

        Wow, and here I thought my solve was developing into mega pages. You all outdid me! I will say though, capturing the ‘man’ himself as to who he is and life of achievements has been a mega challenge.

        • JDA says:

          My 348 psges cover 6 chapters of “Log Entries” starting Dec 23, 2015, Six separate solves (all in the same general area) – “Methods and Strategies, summary, epilogue, Words List of key words used in poem,GPS coordinates of key locations and an Epilogue, I will publish it IF I find Indulgence. JDA

          • Iceman says:

            JDA-
            You asked me if I think you are close to the treasure. Based on your response, I can tell you that I think you are closer than most searchers are. But you will do better if you pay more attention to the poem, and less attention to the blogs.

            • Pen Ghost says:

              Agree on more focus on the poem. My wwwh was selected before I ever got the TTOTC book. All I had was a yahoo news article with the poem in it. But the books are ok as an afterthought. He said all you need is the poem and a map. I believe that and believe that the books and scrapbooks help with understanding whether it matches something or not. But I do not have Indulgence so – there are 4 states and I see things in all 4 – so now what? Every time someone says a state, I think yes, I see something in that one too.

              • Iceman says:

                If you don’t have the first clue nailed down, remember that the books provide a map of the big picture. They take you to where the poem starts. My opinion.

            • JDA says:

              Iceman;
              What makes you think that I have not placed primary emphasis on the poem. Didn’t Forrest say something about using the blogs for entertainment? – The poem, and a good map and GE are my prime tools, and yes, I do find the Blogs entertaining – JDA

    • Grey Jedi says:

      Iceman, I’m so glad you said that because my solve would certainly be book length and I thought I was just really unorganized…because I am…I’m a mess. My thoughts are and theories all seem very plausible and even establish patterns back to the beginning of my searching days. It’s as if Forrest could foretell how a person might think and set the wheels in motion for hints and clues to be found so that a story is told by trying to place the poem clues to locations.

      Why is it that you think “group think” would be a hinderence? My personal experience has been that it is to an extent because so few people can pick up on my particular path so their input is usually not helpful however there are times when my bias is a hinderence and having someone jar me out of that is helpful. I do know the solitary path gets lonesome.

      • Iceman says:

        Jedi –
        There are many thousands of decisions you must make in your solve and “group think” is too slow. Your solve won’t matter if “someone” beats you to it. You don’t need other opinions, you need to focus your attention on the poem and the posts f has provided. The books TTOTC and TFTW can help you decipher the poem too.

      • Iceman says:

        Another thing. You won’t be able to find the treasure chest if you are disorganized. Clean house or buy a lottery ticket. Organization is vital.

        • Valerie says:

          Imagination trumps organization.

          • Pen Ghost says:

            Imagination comes first because it requires some brain storming and that is not organized. Then, processes of elimination and organization to clean up and finalize a spot to BOG. I think imagination in this poem is way more important than printing out every scrapbook and combing through every book and exhausting Google. It is easier to think about ff and the poem first and that will limit the chaos that the Internet could create. But more importantly I think about the comment of getting kids off the electronics. The Internet and google first before the poem and outdoors seems to contradict the get off the electronics bit. Just take the poem and select an outdoor spot and have fun. I think summer is for fun when school is out and when snow is piled high, one can check into the electronics.

          • Iceman says:

            You need a lot of both.

    • Iceman says:

      It only takes one page to document the solve. Everything else is validation. My opinion.

      • Jdiggins says:

        Interesting…

      • Iceman says:

        That’s a big hint for someone who is struggling to understand the puzzle. If you get it right you will know! That’s the way f designed it. Ingenius.

      • Eiseley says:

        Iceman
        It’s so funny you said this because my solve has only gotten simpler and more concise as I refine it.

        Once I had my major breakthrough on WWWH & HOB my location has never altered and From there I’ve only worked to make it conform to what Forrest had said and making it more straightforward and less complicated, since FF has said it’s much like a magic trick… … simple once you too know the secret!

        I do have pages of brainstorming but the solve is short: one literal and one figurative for 9 clues, 3 hints & 3 instructions (for lack of a better phrase).

        The books provide mostly hints however there is one thing in one of his 3 memoirs that may IMO prove to be more than a hint!

  25. Iceman says:

    If you find the treasure, better to write a book about it than to sell it. The real treasure is the poem, not the treasure chest. My opinion.

    • Iceman says:

      The poem and the solve are more valuable than the chest and it’s contents. My opinion.

    • Iceman says:

      Best to publish three plausible solutions and never give away the place where you found it. Keep the audience guessing. Forever. 🙂

    • Pen Ghost says:

      What do you think provides more curiosity? A. the solve spelled out or B. seeing the contents of the box? Of course, writing a book would contain the text of the solve and the picture of holding the chest – if it is not too heavy. I can hardly carry 3-5 pounds and not sure if I could ever grasp 20 let alone the total 45. I might just have to lie down beside it to get a picture! That is a good thing it is not under water 🙂 But that is a concern for the future.

    • Eiseley says:

      Oh,
      And my solve could be wrong; like Forrest had said, the person who solved his poem can’t actually know, it’s a correct solve until they actuall find the chest…

      However THE searcher will go with confidence and my solve provides that level of assurance and if it’s not correct, then it is perhaps a more amazing coincidence than the actual solve itself…

      But I’m not the ONLY one, there is at least one other and if I understand Forrest perhaps several…

      • Madesquare says:

        It’s to be hoped. I would hate for f’s legacy to be hanging solely on this Broken Spectre figure who’s been haunting the blogs for the past months-

        • Crimsonblaze says:

          Which ghost you talking about? There are more than a few?

        • Crimsonblaze says:

          Which ghost you talking about? There are more than a few?

        • Pen Ghost says:

          Spell it out the who – who is the Broken /spectre figure? Further what difference does it make if someone has been haunting the blogs for months or years? If you chose to criticize, then direct it to the individual. If not, then best to not speak about it because leaving anything like that hanging is considered abusive. Abuse is not tolerated on most blogs.

          • Madesquare says:

            The figure surrounded by a rainbow glory in the Star Thrower is clearly a reference to the Brocken Specter, a mountain mirage phenomenon. I was making a reference to a reference, that’s all-

            • Pen Ghost says:

              Goodness – ok thank you. That was an unusual story to end up in the chase. 🙂 It took me a couple of readings to ‘get’ the message of that story. In a way, it is a beautiful story.

      • Pen Ghost says:

        Disagree – IMO the searcher can know even before having the chest in hands and IMO that is what makes the searcher confident. Don’t know what you speak about you’re being the only one and maybe a few others. But whatever. Where did Forrest say that there are a few/several who are correct and confident? Don’t see it anywhere. IMO if your solve could in any way be wrong, then you cannot have the confidence I believe he speaks about. IMO

      • Iceman says:

        How do you know if you are on the right track. Statistical Significance. It’s a concept used in the comparison of biological sequences (DNA).

        • Eiseley says:

          Because the poem contains a triple verification…

          • John says:

            Triple verification…So have you solved it Eiseley, and have you figured out the “last” clue…In the parking lot of the Denver museum of nature and Science?

            • The Lone Aspen says:

              Well………..
              Everybody needs an Intersection and a Mountain View!!!

              Does that help you out any John and Eiseley???

              • JC1117 says:

                Hello, The Lone Aspen.

                I don’t reckon it would help to go when it’s quite cold out…would it?

                Maybe one day it might prove to be worth it…

                …if the stars are aligned.

                • The Lone Aspen says:

                  It depends………
                  Proper Motivation
                  Proper Dress
                  Proper Equipment
                  Proper Training
                  All Variables ……… Like the Poem……
                  BUT if you will take a minuet and look up at the stars on any clear night -the North star is still the
                  North star, the Big and Little Dipper are always there, they just rotate around the North star. So, there is always alignment and the beauty that is enclosed in it.

                • The Lone Aspen says:

                  Also, JC where I will look it might not be over 50 but only during the morning search will it be in the 20’s. Maybe I will warm up as I keep searching.

                • JC1117 says:

                  Hello, Lone Aspen…Et Al.

                  Here’s to staying focused on The North Star…

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCKcykwZgTs

                • pdenver says:

                  Hello JC1117. Enjoyed the link. The cover reminds me of a scrapbook.

              • John says:

                I don’t understand how an intersection would help. I have found no reference to an intersection

                • The Lone Aspen says:

                  Hi John, check out the book signing event and what Forrest said about intersections then go to a map of the Denver museum of Nature and Science with surrounding streets (ie., Colorado and Mount View) and use your imagination : )

                • John says:

                  Lone Aspen, It won’t let me respond to your last comment. So I will reply to my own comment. I solved the “last” clue on Monday. I think your interpretation is incorrect.

                • The Lone Aspen says:

                  Hmmm……. I will rethink without overthinking 😃 because I believe you John and do not think you would mislead anyone unless you told them. Now that you know the last clue – when will you go retrieve Indulgence ?

                • John says:

                  Aspen, I am hoping to get back before Thanksgiving. Any later than that and I will have to deal with snow, and probably wont be able to get back until late February.

  26. Iceman says:

    remains => still is => is still
    (vibration sensor?)

    • JC1117 says:

      Hello, Iceman.

      A vibration sensor is vital.

      It is the pulse of Life.

        • pdenver says:

          After viewing photos, I believe I know who you are, crimsonblazeblog.

          • pdenver says:

            Viewed the photos again, and I have a feeling I’m probably wrong.

            • crimsonblazeblog says:

              Probably unless you can see ghosts

              • pdenver says:

                Had this conversation with my husband, father, and step-mom just yesterday afternoon.

                • crimsonblazeblog says:

                  I come from a long line of Indians and horse thiefs, if I don’t want to be seen you won’t see me. Some Indians believe that you can get your soul stolen if it is captured in a picture.

                • pdenver says:

                  I have Blackfoot in my bloodline. I’ve been told there was a horse thief in my family lineage as well, although I believe it may have been on my maternal side rather than paternal. I have not heard for which you spoke. It’s interesting. Thank you for sharing that bit of information.

                • crimsonblazeblog says:

                  PD. I will answer here because there is no reply button below your last comment.

                  No one knows for sure because none have come back to tell us one way or the other.

                • pdenver says:

                  It’s strange. After having this conversation with you, it reminds me of stories of Mr. Fenn being without shoes. He would have had black feet.

                • pdenver says:

                  This may be true, crimsonblazeblog. Several years ago, I was on eBay, and I don’t recall what it was that I was searching, but I came across an old postcard someone was selling. It was a chief of the Blackfoot tribe, and when I saw it, I gasped. I thought to myself, “He looks like my grandfather!” I ended up purchasing the postcard.

                • Crimsonblaze says:

                  It is easy to steal a soul, just ask f. When I’m gone look around because there I will be. Unless of course I’m looking for 1000 treasures hidden on some unknown planet.

                • pdenver says:

                  Crimsonblaze, I had read your link, and I must admit I was a bit surprised, just as I am now.

                • Crimsonblaze says:

                  It is ok to be surprised it’s all in the recovery. Most people never really understand me so at least your following along.

                • pdenver says:

                  Crimsonblaze, I read it, but I do not believe this to be true, although it is your opinion of how you feel about it. With how strongly you feel about this, in my understanding, why do you search or participate on the blog(s)?

                • Crimsonblaze says:

                  Unless your f you wouldn’t understand, if you are f than there is no reason for me to explain.

                • Crimsonblaze says:

                  Something’s a person should just not tolerate. He wanna mess with me is one thing but I just can’t allow him messin with my partner, it’s personal.

                • pdenver says:

                  I am not Mr. Fenn. I hope the situation was just a miscommunication. I’ve been told by my son how he hates the digital age because one can never know how a conversation was meant.

                • crimsonblazeblog says:

                  Well the face to face was a complete flop, not very personal atall just another reason to stay home in a book without the effect.

                • JC1117 says:

                  I wouldn’t worry too much about it, Crimson.

                  I’ll bet he knows who you are…and he didn’t then he sure does now.

                  But with the way you’re talkin’ I wouldn’t be surprised to see TWO bouncers…I mean security guards…next time. 🙂

                  Maybe even three! LOL!

                • crimsonblazeblog says:

                  Not needed for me I wouldn’t harm anyone unless provoked or in self-defense. But he might want to take a long look at it. Besides if I don’t want them to see me they never will.

                • crimsonblazeblog says:

                  I’m the kinda fool that steps up to take a beating for someone else just to prove there are heroes in the world.

  27. Iceman says:

    One way to evaluate your solve is this. Would it take 15 years to devise this scheme? If your answer is “no”, you need to go back to the drawing board! My opinion.

    • Eiseley says:

      Ice,

      He refined it over 15 years to make it more difficult from the original version that Doug Preston saw near the beginning.

      He certainly didn’t work on it continuously during this period. I believe writing the poem is more difficult and a work of art.

      Whereas our solves or “the correct solve” will be for the most part technical.

      It’s harder to create, than to solve…

      E

      • Iceman says:

        Someday, the genius of the poem (and the books) will be revealed. It will have to wait until the treasure chest is retrieved (or moved to another location). For now I don’t think any other searcher has discovered what I’m talking about. Only time will tell. I do agree, the poem was more difficult to create than to decipher.

        • Pen Ghost says:

          Do you expect it to be able to be retrieved before or after the ‘moved to another location’? IMO Never underestimate others when you don’t know them.

          • Iceman says:

            Once it is moved, finding it will require another poem. I was thinking you would still need to solve the Fenn poem first. Just thinking out loud. But I do have a particular spot in mind for rehiring it.

        • Eiseley says:

          Iceman,
          Why do you believe that the treasure chest has to be moved or is only a part of the solve?

          Forrest has said, this isn’t the case.
          He has also said that he was going to die with the treasure, hidden in the very same spot or relatively so anyway…

          Now, Forrest did say originally he had a $100,000 IOU as an enticement to the finder so that he would know if it were found… … and that he took it out because he thought of a better way.

          Is this what you are referring too?

          • Iceman says:

            No. If the treasure chest is on federal property you may lose rights to it. The only feasible way to profit from it is to prove you found it, publish the solve, and rehide it. Write another poem or something and reboot the Chase, part two.

            • Iceman says:

              I have been buying up some nice coins to add to the chest, you know… just in case I find it.

              • Iceman says:

                The new coins are beautiful silver coins from all over the world so they won get confused with the original treasure of gold coins.

                • Pen Ghost says:

                  Very nice. Traveling, I try to retain a few paper currency for places where one can have it tacked to the wall of a business. Did not think about the coins.

  28. Iceman says:

    There is one thing about the Chase that f doesn’t know … how long it takes for the smartest guy in the room to solve the puzzle? The one thing I still don’t know is … is the puzzle the way to the treasure chest or a diversion? It’s the way, I think.

    • Pen Ghost says:

      I think f is capable of knowing how long it would take and I doubt it has to be the smartest guy in the room to solve the puzzle – I doubt the ‘redneck with a truck and a couple of kids’ is the smartest guy or maybe he is – it would depend on what qualified someone to be smart. f says what it takes, did you miss the qualifier?

      • Iceman says:

        Forrest never said he thought the finder would be a red neck from TX with a of couple kids. He said he would “like” for him to find it. There’s a big difference there. What he did say was that he thought it might take 900 years for someone to find it. It’s a difficult puzzle to solve. The smartest guy in the room has an advantage. I have stated from the beginning, it will be a genius that finds the treasure. I’m going to stick with that viewpoint unless f changes the game by giving away too many clues on the blogs.

  29. JDA says:

    Iceman

    You have presented quite a few interesting posts. Rather than answer any particular post, I will just say that I think many of your observations are well thought out, and to the point. Knowledge and insight can be found in many places, including here on this blog. Thanks for your input. JDA

  30. Covert One says:

    Iceman – you asked “how long it takes for the smartest guy in the room to solve the puzzle?”

    Imagination is more important than knowledge. It may not be the smartest guy in the room who solves it – how about the one who applied the correct balance of imagination and logic coupled with a heap of persistence?

  31. Iceman says:

    It looks like this Chase is going to be thrilling. The winter trash talking is in full gear. Maybe more than one searcher has completed the puzzle. Only time will tell. Best of luck to everyone.

  32. Sparrow says:

    Thank you Forrest.

  33. Iceman says:

    In case you are wondering (or wandering as the case may be) the “key”word is not one you’ll find in the poem. Without it, you got nothin.

    • John says:

      Nothin huh? Think you are wrong. Solved the poem and the “last” clue just waiting to make another trip. Still have no clue what the key word is and quite frankly think it has no relevance.

      • Iceman says:

        You can’t even start to decipher the poem until you after identify the key word. My opinion.

        • Pen Ghost says:

          I think you need to decipher the poem in order to find the key word. There is a key word and there is a riddle. Separate things. Only working on the poem will lead to the riddle and to the key word. It depends on the road you take once you find the riddle and the road you take when you find the key word. So many think the poem is a direct map and does not offer options or other roads but most maps have cross streets, turns, and forks. The biggest question you need to ask are the Ws: what, where, when, why, and the H in how. One of the questions will depend on your key word and one on you riddle.

        • John says:

          I love this comment…because I have had the poem deciphered since late August and now I have deciphered the last clue. So I guess I should just throw away my solution and just start over looking for this mysterious “key” word. I have a precise location. On my last two trips I was facing in the wrong direction, overthinking possibly, but the last clue turned me around, sort of like a pineapple upside down cake. Maybe pineapple upside down cake is the key word. Your opinion is wrong, imho.

          • John says:

            Pen Ghost, I have never lacked confidence since my first trip in May 2016. I knew I was in the right canyon. It was just a matter of finding the precise location. In June of this year, I made a major breakthrough I discovered the 3rd clue, the point so many had missed and walked past. From there I found the real blaze, not the one meant to bluff. In July I had a precise location, but the treasure wasnt there, it was just another contiguous step along the way. It was then that I realized the poem was even more complicated than I originally thought and it took me until the end of August to solve the rest of the poem. After working on the last clue for two months I finally solved it when I returned from my most recent trip. It is just a matter of getting boots back on the ground.

            • Pen Ghost says:

              Hi John, I understand what you are saying 🙂 However, try another definition for confidence . . . My confidence is rather still shaky and seems all over the place misguided. But I know what it takes to get it to be stronger. Try another definition for the word.

              • John says:

                Pen Ghost, the “I love this comment” was directed at Iceman not you.

                the feeling or belief that one can rely on someone or something; firm trust.
                “we had every confidence in the staff”
                synonyms: trust, belief, faith, credence, conviction
                “I have little confidence in these figures”
                antonyms: skepticism, distrust
                the state of feeling certain about the truth of something.
                “it is not possible to say with confidence how much of the increase in sea levels is due to melting glaciers”
                a feeling of self-assurance arising from one’s appreciation of one’s own abilities or qualities.
                “she’s brimming with confidence”
                synonyms: self-assurance, self-confidence, self-possession, assertiveness; More
                poise, aplomb, phlegm;
                courage, boldness, mettle, nerve
                “she’s brimming with confidence”
                antonyms: uncertainty, doubt
                the telling of private matters or secrets with mutual trust.
                “someone with whom you may raise your suspicions in confidence”
                a secret or private matter told to someone under a condition of trust.
                plural noun: confidences
                “the girls exchanged confidences about their parents”
                synonyms: secret, confidentiality, intimacy
                “the girls exchanged confidences”

                Origin

          • Pen Ghost says:

            I don’t think you need the key word. It might help but I do not believe it is an absolute must to have, John. It might be more like a 20/20 hindsight kind of thing. I would not scrap something just because of what someone else says. I have no idea which state you are searching. I think to shred work would be not a good thing. BTW which state are you searching. I will say I like all 4 for different reasons, but NM is where I spend my time. Not asking for anything I would not say myself. 🙂

            • John says:

              New Mexico.

              • Pen Ghost says:

                Well, then definitely don’t scrap anything. Perhaps I will see you around NM parts come summer. It would be nice to see another searcher. Just don’t know what month I will be around. I usually stay for 1-2 months when I visit. It is so beautiful. But this year, I must admit southern CO is calling my name as well. Anything to get out of the extreme heat during the summer.

      • Pen Ghost says:

        Agree, John. I think it can be solved without knowing or exactly identifying the key word. A word that is key may help understand what one has as a solution. But I think it is not absolutely necessary because it could be that one knows the key word but does not classify it as such. Iceman, you might want to check what you have with the key word. I believe your answer would be, ‘nothing.’

      • Pen Ghost says:

        John, If you are ready, define, ‘confidence’ to yourself. If your solution fits the definition, then perhaps you are ready. Confidence for me took a few years.

    • Valerie says:

      Iceman, interesting comment.
      Technically, because the poem contains every letter except X, one could reasonably argue that all words in the English language (except those containing the letter X) may be found in the
      poem.

      Has Forrest ever stated that riddles must be answered or that a key word “outside” the poem must be found. Please help me understand your position. Thank you:-)

      • Iceman says:

        Valerie –
        Forrest said that few searchers “are in tight focus with a word that is key”. I’m reiterating that because of what I discovered in my own effort.

      • Twingem says:

        Just noodling, but x is 10, ten is in the poem. ListTEN.

        • Jdiggins says:

          Noodling…haha…thats a scary thought…surely not for the meek!

        • Valerie says:

          Twingem, what are you listing 10 of? Rocks? Rivers? Canyons?…ME? Well, hmmm, forrest played monopoly and passed go to collect money. I’ve been around his monopoly board enough times to collect 10 property cards, but I’d rather just land on his chest at this point.

    • Valerie says:

      Iceman, I’m thinking the key word you are thinking of is… “BINGO” 🙂 just a guess, since Forrest is so much fun. And then there’s the BINGO CARD story in his terrific new book.

      • JC1117 says:

        Hello, Valerie.

        When I see your pretty name I think of Valkyrie.

        My high school mascot was Vikings…and on the cover of every yearbook was printed, “Valkyrie”.

        I don’t know why…I assume it was representative of the end and/or moving on.

        The Thrill of Victories…and the agony of defeats.

        Lessons learned.

        More lessons to learn.

        Another thread in the Tapestry of Time.

        • Valerie says:

          Good evening JC1117, and “tusend tak” or thank you for the compliment. I come from a long line of Scandinavians, reared at Sons of Norway smorgasbords after skiing to the buffet:-) so you guessed correctly about the Valkrie connection. Where did you attend high school?

          • JC1117 says:

            Hello, Valerie.

            Pleasant Grove, Utah is where I grew up…within a few minutes walk of this canyon…which I hiked many, many times…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y3citpBfHI

            I’m proud to see that every Independence Day the world’s largest US flag…representing Liberty…is flown there.

            I also come from a long line of Scandinavians through my grandfather on my dad’s side…most recently Danish and Swedish.

      • Iceman says:

        No Valerie, it’s not “Bingo”, but nice try.

  34. Iceman says:

    I’ll leave one more thought. The key word will take you to the poem, but the poem won’t take you to the key word. It’s just an anomaly in the English language which is generally circular. New Mexico? Wow!

  35. Valerie says:

    Iceman, here is my honest opinion…
    1. The riddle to be solved in the poem is how far does one go.
    2. A word must be righted.
    3. Rhymes are important
    4. Forrest meant for the poem to be fun.
    5. FF intends to bless the finder; he also hopes the finder embraces stewardship.

    • crimsonblazeblog says:

      # 5 , do you mean hug the chest like a baby?

    • Pen Ghost says:

      Could not agree with you more about the stewardship comment. I think that is the most important part of the adventure – the stewardship.

      • Pen Ghost says:

        I don’t think he cares who finds it or what happens other than stewardship. It appears he does not want anymore to do with the poem or clues and I would assume he really doesn’t care who finds it or when. I always take care of things, people, animals, etc. I do not enjoy watching suffering and with the chase for the loot, it makes it not enjoyable.

  36. Iceman says:

    There is no riddle to be solved. I don’t know where that came from. The poem is a map. It’s not a riddle. It’s s map!

    • Pen Ghost says:

      The poem is more than one thing. It has a map, yes; a riddle, yes; it is complicated yes. To narrow down the poem to only a map, is sure failure. But what do I know when it seems everyone else knows everything about everything.

  37. Lifesablaze says:

    Hey Pen Ghost – You get a Snickers bar! 😊

    • Pen Ghost says:

      Hey there Lifesablaze. Snickers bar – yum but not supposed to be on my diet. I think there are nuts in it! googy carmel maybe too. And chocolate I cannot resist. I am wiped out. I tried to combine all my emails to ff but google is ‘mad’ for sure and now I think I have about ten copies of each one. Ugh. I wanted to get them into one place and delete my account. Now…..I could use the chocolate 🙂 There are a few Oreos left from the mystery guess thing. And now I need chocolate! How have you been? I’ve become exhausted and plan to get out of the USA if I can. I wanted to take off before the holidays, but here they are – way too fast.

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