Featured Question with Forrest and Weekly Words: Wet Physics

thrill of the chaseMr. Fenn,

In your interview with New Mexico True Stories, you mentioned that you know that the treasure is wet. I checked out the date of that interview and it looks like you said that in a February, which could mean that you knew that it had snowed or rained at the site of the treasure chest, or simply because of higher water.

Now we are in mid-summer, and if we assume that no storms have passed through recently, would you know that the treasure is wet now? ~Thanks, B


Yes B, physics tells me the treasure is wet. f


The above Featured Question is also Weekly Words from Forrest for July 29th, 2016. The complete list is here:

Weekly Words From Forrest Fenn

and the link to Featured Questions is here:

Featured Questions (category)


Best of luck with the Thrill of the Chase and all that you seek! Treasure the Adventure!

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168 Responses

  1. Jake Faulker says:

    Thanks Jenny, Forrest & B.
    I suspected it would still be wet.
    Why else would the chest gain weight.

  2. Anthony says:

    I thought Mr. Fenn already alluded to why it was wet awhile back, In some question or interview. Why would they ask that question or rather why was it posted for him to answer again? Whether or not names of locations are important to any of the clues is a better question, because names change all of the time and he said he wanted the possibility of it being found possibly well into the future. So to me that would be a better question to ask. Just my humble opinion though.

    • Anthony says:

      Nevermind.. I think I just now understood why it was brought up again. This might just be a massive hint lol.

  3. Mark J says:

    This just wets my appetite

  4. Iron Will says:

    I really don’t want to suppose I know EXACTLY what you mean in your answer Forrest, but if one had spent a considerable amount of time “reading” into your featured questions for subtle meanings, one would wager that he/she had correctly figured out your answer with a simple (yet clever) move of a comma. Yes, B physics tells me the treasure is wet.

    B physics(or Boyle’s physics) referring to Boyle’s Law concerning gas pressures and temperatures. (one of the bases of condensation theory). What I find particularly interesting, is that Robert Boyle was an Alchemist. He believed it was possible to turn common metals (such as Iron) into Gold. What is even stranger that I just noticed upon reading his wiki, is that Robert is my brother’s first name. Creepy how the mind works, twisting and turning data into “meaning” with no real stamp of approval. But above all this… if Wikipedia is to be trusted, then I can say this: Mr. Boyle and I would not have gotten along very well. 😉

    • Iron Will says:

      It’s too bad that Mr. Boyle and I would not have gotten along 🙁 Because I could sure use his alchemy assistance right now.

    • JL says:

      IW, I believe Wikipedia can be trusted.
      Unless the Treasure Chest is sealed in an environmentally controlled chamber with no humidity it would have to technically be wet. This is not a clue to the treasure’s location unless of course, the poem leads you to a body of water. I like the picture of the waterfall though perhaps there is a hint there, assuming, of course, F supplied the picture. I can close my eyes and imagine being there.

    • Uken2it says:

      Yeah, he’s all wet iron.

  5. astree says:

    This one tricky. I’m pretty sure the tourism video had Forrest referring to the treasure chest, yet here he was given the slack to refer to the treasure. Simple, elegant yet … open.

    • Passenger says:


      I also found the “boat” that I now see you discovered a few years back. I actually think it’s important. Doesn’t seem like anyone caught it. Have you given any though to what otra might mean (beside “another, other,” etc.). That line is likely the last line in the poem — and that is telling.

      I’ve found a few places with those boats abandoned. BTW, that boat will float.

      Feel free to email me: chris.ryan.gins@gmail.com


  6. DPT says:

    A little help here searchers for those who are well versed in proper English.

    Should there be an s at the end of tell? “physics tells me” It just doesn’t sound right. Does it?

    Thanks Forrest, Jenny and B.

    • Iron Will says:

      Yes it’s perfectly alright.
      Let’s say for example: Doughnuts
      Donuts is a plural form of Doughnut. So if you wanted to say “Doughnuts tells me I’m getting fat.” Now this doesn’t work because tells is a verb form attaching to a single entity, and in this case… Doughnuts is a group of single entities or plural entity.

      Physics is a single entity and/or “title” to a field of study. While it has an “S” on the end (denoting all the combined all of the mathematical theories and laws contained within), it is still a single entity encompassing or “representing” those said areas of mathematical focus. Therefore it’s 100% the correct way to word it. Hope that helps 🙂

  7. Carolyn says:

    Thank you for saying the word condensation regarding physics. It might have taken me some time to read about physics and wet.

  8. pdenver says:

    Thank you Jenny, B, and Mr. Fenn for this week’s Featured Question. This is interesting. Time to think of the possibilities.

  9. Robin says:

    Hi Mr. f,
    Can you please expound on “wet?” Is it moist, soggy, dripping or waterlogged?

  10. Onuat says:

    Good morning.
    One subject I didn’t like at school was Physics. 🤔
    I think I’ll just have to use a little mountain wisdom here to find that “wet” chest. 🤓
    Thanks again Jenny,Forrest and B.

  11. Iron Will says:

    Hold up here! We need to find out if this picture was supplied by Forrest or not… because I found something in it!

    Click on the photo, click once more to magnify it… then move to the lower left hand corner. There are letters on the stone face. That is not carved, its photo shopped fonts. No one carving, would put the bold points on H’s and A’s like it has here.

    Can anyone make out what it says?

    First line H A …..(seems 5 more letters) Second line A ….4 or 5 more letters with maybe a “c” or “and” symbol between the two lines.

    • pdenver says:

      Hello Iron Will. I did as you suggested, as well as, putting my computer at 400% magnification and I couldn’t make out any more. It’s possible that it’s the artist’s signature blended in the painting. Some artists do this. Or, it could be something else. 🙂

      Hello Jenny. Did you provide the photo for this week’s Featured Question?

      • Iron Will says:

        It’s a photo actually. Taken with a KODAK EASYSHARE C743 ZOOM DIGITAL CAMERA on October 1st, 2011.

        • pdenver says:

          Hello Iron Will. That’s amazing! I truly don’t know how you’re able to tell this is what it is. Would you be so kind to explain this to me, please?

          • Iron Will says:

            Oh it’s simple… save the picture to file, then open it up with NOTEPAD. Most of the file in notepad is unreadable except for the date the picture was taken and what was used, written across the top of the first line most of the time. I learned this because it was an easy trick back in the day for people to hide code words or passwords in photos. Using Dos command prompt, you’d copy an image file to a text file that you created (say the text was “Fenn I know your secret!”). It would then MERGE the two files in code, by placing the text file (message) at the end of the image code. So when you open up the image in notepad and scroll to the last line of code, at the end it would look like this…

            ¶A¤û^T¹8àSSEò“2¹öã Fenn I know your secret!

      • Spallies says:

        Fun Friday question thanks Jenny, Forrest and B…. I happen to like physics 🙂 Iron, I think I can make out some letters on the right of the waterfall as well….

  12. Seannm says:


    Condensation can build up on cold exposed metal surfaces depending on several atmospheric conditions which do not necessarily include precipitation.


  13. jackson says:

    Hi Jenny,,, Did you supply the photo?

  14. Covert One says:

    Hey Iron Will is right – there is a message in the picture of the waterfall. There are letters carved in the rock on the lower left; zoom in and you can see. There is clearly an “H” and an “A” – others are hard to read.

    I have read many, many posts about the potential for it being “behind” a waterfall. I’m convinced this could be the case and the waterfall in the picture is the one!

  15. Juicy says:

    So fitting for today! Wish I was in NYC, but I was there for Austin! Haha!

  16. Jenny says:

    Hi all, it’s my photo. As always, unless stated otherwise. Thanks. Jenny

  17. Bailey says:

    Here is a physics joke. What did Sunshine say to the Bellhop? . . . . . . . “Thanks, but I don’t need your help. I’m traveling light.”

  18. Kim says:

    It’s always sunny in….

  19. Uken2it says:

    Definition of desert is broader than I assumed:
    Dictionary.com desert
    4 . n (formerly) any unsettled area between the Mississippi and the Rocky Mountains thought to be unsuitable for human habitation.
    5. n any place lacking in something: The town was a cultural desert. Synonyms: wasteland.
    6. of, pertaining to, or like a desert. Synonyms: desolate; barren, infertile; arid.
    7. occurring, living, or flourishing in the desert: a desert tribe; a desert palm.
    8. designed or suitable for wear in the desert, as cool, protective clothing: a big, wide-brimmed desert hat.

  20. Ramona says:

    Good morning everyone. I love waking up to find the world just as it should be, with a Featured Question and Weekly Words. Now sipping my coffee and pondering the meaning. I wouldn’t go crazy over the letters in the picture as Jenny has now said it’s her picture. And that waterfall looks a little too dangerous to try and get behind. We’re not doing dangerous anymore right? Have a great day everyone and thank you B, Jenny, and Mr. Fenn.

  21. Joe Sparrow says:

    From “Blueberries” by Robert Lee Frost:
    And the sun shines out warm: the vines must be wet.
    It’s so long since I picked I almost forget

    I don’t really know what this means, but thought I’d share it anyway. 🙂

  22. Chesney says:

    Thank You Mr. Fenn, Ms. Kile, and B for the Weekly Words! Have a Great Day, and Stay Safe Everyone!

  23. Rookie says:

    Can a waterfall be called a Blaze. Thanks for any help. Good luck the rest of the Summer to all enjoying the Rockies

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      Sure, Rookie. The water is blazing down, right?
      Ya see, that’s the big question, what exactly does “the Blaze” mean according to Forrest.
      It can also be anything else a person might call a “Blaze”, and remember, in poetic fashion.

    • JD says:

      For my solve, the answer is a resounding YES

  24. Snider says:

    Can you explain the letters in the picture??????
    I hope you are having fun with this. Because to me it is more like torture.
    The letters H and A really hits close to home for me????
    Is there a waterfall in my creek???
    I have a hard time thinking a waterfall is a blaze.

  25. Joe Sparrow says:

    I’m new to the blog but wanted to add some new information regarding
    “The Blaze”. I believe Forrest may be interested in reading also, as he
    most likely did not expect anyone to decipher this information from the poem:

    “If you’ve been wise and found the Blaze,
    Look quickly down, your quest to cease”.

    Unknown to most, the “blaze” occurs AFTER the chest is found. It has been
    booby-trapped and will explode when opened. The “blaze” will be the flames
    that have enveloped you due to this explosion.

    Luckily though one can “look quickly down..” and find a fire extinguisher that
    Forrest has provided, and put out the “blaze” engulfing your body.

    If you do this very rapidly, you will then be able to “take the chest and go in peace”,
    as the box and treasures will suffer little due to this “blaze”.
    You will be severely burned, but you will be richer, it will all have been worth the chase. 🙂

    • pdenver says:

      Hello Joe Sparrow. Oh my goodness. That is quite imaginative. Definitely no body will be put to flame and needing an extinguisher while trying to look for the treasure chest. I would say set that solve to blaze and don’t use an extinguisher to put it out. May I suggest to look at it differently.

    • Chesney says:

      Joe Sparrow, I am not sure where you read that in the poem, but f has stated many times it is not in a dangerous place. He would tell you to go back and read the poem again… think you are just looking to get his attention! 🙁

      • Joe Sparrow says:

        I cannot understand how anyone could read that post and think I was being serious. Sure–right-lol—Forrest is going to provide a fire extinguisher for us? it was completely a joke. I think one thing Forrest would want us all to do—and that is for us to have a little “fun” when we are discussing the search. I used to be involved with a blog that concerned the “Golden Horse” a long time ago. There were people who were highly over-analytical about everything (I’ve noticed how quickly people are “seeing” carved letters in the rock in the waterfall pic—and I also quickly saw a “blaze” in the geography of Montana). I know that people here are doing the same thing. If Forrest were to say “I’ll be right back, I have to use the restroom” there would be some who would think he was giving all of us a secret clue about the search, rather than just stating he needed to go to the bathroom. There will be that person who will say “He said ‘restroom’. Perhaps the use of “rest” is important. Maybe he is giving a clue about the search”. I find much of it to be hilarious, and so I often mix humor at times in things I will say. So that was what I was doing in my post.

        There were also people who took a puzzle book and turned it all into a “spiritual journey”. I’ve seen that here too. A woman has a blog that shows that Forrest’s “search” goes by train and ends at a Catholic Church. There were a few who treated the Treasure book like that also—no matter what one said, the book had a deeply spiritual meaning to it—it wasn’t a puzzle book—it was a biblical journey. I’m a Christian, so nothing against believing—–but a treasure search is a treasure search. I think Forrest hid a chest and wants us to experience the excitement of fun of “the chase”.

        By the way—-do you think “If you are brave and in the wood” has anything to do with “grain direction”? Or perhaps we need to combine “brave” with “grain” and arrive at “brain”? Is there a Brain, Montana? LOL

    • Kim says:

      Oh Joe! Haha I love this explanation. Do you live near me? In AZ?

      • Joe Sparrow says:

        I live in California. Glad you liked the explanation. lol. Makes sense to me. 🙂

        • Kim says:

          Shake and bake life with the quake!
          I hope you live by the beach. Put the poem in a bottle and throw it out to sea. Maybe it will come back to you! Love!

  26. Twingem says:

    On this post and the last few, reading other blogs, I am stunned by the degree of crazy in our world – and you’d think I’d be beyond being stunned by now. So many look everywhere else to place blame or get something not earned, simply refusing to be accountable and responsible. Look in a mirror folks. Look in a mirror. All answers start in the mirror. That is physics.

    Forrest, dear Forrest Fire as recently signed, keep turning up the heat. And with a little water – well….there is the end of the rainbow.

    Thank you Forrest and Jenny as always for all you do to keep the search interesting!

    • Strawshadow says:

      It is worse than anybody realizes that’s why I never go outside the safe zones. There will be a whole psychology book written about this someday. Happy to see your sanity is still in check.

  27. Jack says:

    The comma jumped. 🙁

  28. Joe Sparrow says:

    The post above was totally “tongue in cheek”. If anyone thought I was being serious then their
    sense of humor needs some work. 🙂 I thought I would add a little humor to the blog. For those
    who took it seriously, sorry.

    I had just found out about this search a few days ago actually—the first thing that hit me when reading
    the poem concerning the “blaze” was that many horses have a “blaze” of white on their long snouts. If one
    looks at a map of Montana there is a distinctive area to the far west that looks like a snout with a white blaze
    on it. Probably way off track—-but that’s the first thing I thought of. I never seriously thought a “blaze” referred
    to a “fire” in any way. LOL. Have fun hunting friends!

    • pdenver says:

      Hello Joe Sparrow. Definitely have a sense of humor. In the past, others thought the treasure chest was booby trapped or had evil spirits involved. As you can imagine, had to take heed with your explanation. Certainly didn’t want the newcomers to feel the treasure chest would do something horrible to them. I’m sure you can understand. Enjoy the chase!

      • Joe Sparrow says:


        Yes—I can see what you’re saying. I really didn’t think about if very carefully. I would imagine you have had all kinds on this blog. 🙂 You enjoy the chase also! 🙂

  29. Nik76 says:

    Did you recently receive this from Forrest or was it part of the original December list?

  30. Plato ll says:

    Thank you Forrest, Jenny, and B~
    Forrest, you have just confirmed my conviction that the smell of pinyon pine was what you regretted saying in the tourism video and not the TC being wet. Thanks.

  31. 5-leaf blaze says:

    “HA A is the square root of C” 🙂 whoa, haha, not touching that one

  32. Joe Sparrow says:

    I went back to look at the “blaze” in Western Montana on the snout. Interestingly enough there is a “Wise River” and city of “Wisdom” close by. “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze”. There are so many coincidences out there aren’t there? Treasure hunting sure is fun though. 🙂

  33. Illinosghost says:

    Nice, top secret underground stuff Here.

  34. jonsey1 says:

    Physics, tangent…how ‘close’ someone is…or was…..to me, it’s all the same thing he’s repeating lately. It depends on the ‘angle’ one looks at it. For example if the chest has been gound, and for one reason or another ‘left’..it would certainly explain a lot lately. Maybe the finder needed to ‘unwet’ a few angles to ‘rightfully’ keep it to themselves. This article simplifies the physics…in my mind, at least.


    Who knows though. I just think that’s most likely probably where he’s coming from.

  35. SL says:

    RED DESERT – South Central Wyoming, elevation 6814:

    “Imagine stargazing into the black skies where the light of the stars is the most illuminating feature of the nights cape, exploring the micro oasis of melting ice layers insulated by shifting sands or climbing the desert’s sand dunes.”

    I believe this would be a most serene and tranquil environment to rest. Snow melt ponds enhancing its exquisite mystic.


  36. HeadedDown says:

    Technically isn’t water always in the air? Everything is wet to some degree.

  37. rose says:

    The world is a stage, an WE, ARE MERELY THE PLAYERS, “life is a game, learn the rules, and play the game well”, was an expression of mine, back in my blast from the past days, we all do our part. Negativity, jealously, beauty, truth, drama, laughter, communion with others, well didn’t Mr Fenn call his book, The thrill of the chase!!! All of us people are entitled to ‘mistakes’ in life, that’s what makes us human, and in-perfect… I’d used to tell that to my son about ‘human beings imperfections’, and for I see mine, but, change, can only come from with- in. Freewill- Freewill- … My path in my life, and in my going’s, I stop and chat for a moment, paths cross, words exchanged, and on we move. To understand someone’s, motives, actions, only God knows, therefore, as hard as we try not to judge, we do. I, guilty as charged!!! I understand the ”dog y dog” mentality, my career, saw countless times, perhaps, because some deep dark hole is void in our life, which I believe is not ”having communion with our creator”, change only comes from reflecting upon our ”ownselves”, cause that’s the only person we can change. Some people spend all their lives looking for truth, some find it early, others, only threw repeated mistakes, and pain, does truth comes full circle. Thrill of the chase, life, the circle of life, the beginning, to the end. In the end, it’s not the car, the house, the title, the conquering, that someone in their death bed remembers, it’s those times, we laughed with whole heartily, those we loved, and loved us back, that’s what I recall, in my dark moments, and hope that more will come my way!!! For regrets, can leave a lasting sting!! Freewill, freewill, U decide, I decide, everybody decides

  38. Who is this guy, Physics, and how does he know where the chest is…I thought Forrest had “gone alone in there…”

  39. DWRock says:

    There is a lot of effort being expended trying to find the treasure under water, under ground, or in an enclosure of some type… this comment, in addition to others, hints that the box is out in the open.

  40. RealitySucks says:

    If you ask me, Forrest is hinting its probably buried close to the water table (which is ~75ft down). Forrest could easily afford to purchase ground water drilling equipment to get that deep, tie a rope around the chest and lower it in. I always wondered if searchers coming within 200ft have found the blaze but need to dig 200ft down!

  41. Covert One says:

    Having it buried 10, 20, or more feet down would explain why so many people have searched but not found the chest.

  42. DWRock says:

    For those who missed it: a three year old placed in the vicinity of the chest could discover it. Not a direct qoute but I believe an accurate interpretation. Don’t waste your time diving, digging, caving, climbing, etc.

    • RealitySucks says:

      I believe he retracted that slightly stating a child would need help implying that some adult orientated action is required

      He also admitted in a recent interview it was indeed “buried”

      I personally believe it would take a Herculean effort to get the chest. He has stated he wants sweaty bodies out there.

      Now draw your own conclusions!

      • B says:

        Hi RealitySucks,
        To my knowledge, Mr. Fenn has made a concerted effort to not imply whether the chest is buried or isn’t. If he recently revealed that the chest is in fact buried, can you tell me where you found that quote?


      • Chesney says:

        Where is the link to these quotes? Never heard these before.

        • There was a podcast a couple of weeks ago…the host said the treasure was buried and, I believe, for the first time, Forrest did not correct the person…later in the interview, Forrest may have also used the word buried, but I could not tell if it was in response to the host’s use of the word or if he was actually now stating that the chest is buried.

          • Chesney says:

            Very interesting…. I wishh you had a link where I could see that. He has always evaded the question.

            • RealitySucks says:

              16 July 2016 – Rudy Maxa’s World

              Forrest clearly states its buried but not whether its under rocks or dirt

              • Chesney says:

                Thank you RS… wasn’t able to get it to load on my mobile device out here. No computer in sight! But I appreciate you trying, and trust your word. My question is… Why after six years is he finally stating it is indeed buried in some way? Best of luck!

              • Buckeye Bob says:

                I don’t know. He was asked “is the treasure buried (here or there)?” and he replied, basically “It’s buried in the Rockies” (paraphrased). That’s not quite the exact same thing as saying it’s actually buried, as “buried treasure” as a thought or idea doesn’t have to be buried in the ground.
                At least that’s how I think about it. So in my opinion, which has the value of an old inner tube, it’s inconclusive.

                • Chesney says:

                  I hear that BuckeyeBob! This treasure hunt is getting more exciting by the day. That one week, Mr. Fenn posted somthing here every day from Wednesday to Sunday. Is that a hint? 🙂

                • Buckeye Bob says:

                  Chesney, I wonder if Forrest is giving out extras every time someone figures something out.
                  Or maybe he’s just trying to get folks back on track, since there also seems to be an increase in speculations that are so varied that we know one or the other is way off base.
                  “Don’t mess with my poem” seems to be a frequently broken suggestion.

                • Chesney says:

                  Mr. Fenn has always said it wouldn’t be easy to get Indulgence, but not impossible. How long might a person take to get her? How deep is a hole? How do they know they are in the right area? So many unanswered questions.

              • Tommy Voltaire says:


                Did you notice how he said people are looking in Yosemite? I’m assuming that was a slip up, but if not, who is looking there? lol

  43. JL says:

    He did state you would wonder what took you so long or something to that effect. He never said you would know that answer as far as I know. What could be the name for a measurement of time from knowing the answer and what took so long?

    • Chesney says:

      Infinity!!! 🙂 The Duh Factor! We could just make one up! I think the part where he said “The person who finds it will have analysed everything, and will go there in confidence”, is an understatement! He doesn’t say that you can walk right out and have I “Nailed”! Just because he knows where he left it, ddoesn’t mean the searcher will not walk aimlessly until they research more to try to figure out what he did…. and how his mind works?!

      • JL says:

        So if I can name it whatever I like how does a “Black Hole” sound? or perhaps a vacuum………or should I actually make a new word like infindence………..

        • Chesney says:

          I guess my belief is, that whomever finds her will have to have sole dedication for quite a lengthy period of time. If you ever watched the 58 minute video at Moby Dickens Bookstore in Taos NM, and recall when he talked about being shot down in Laos. He said he could take the chance of a lifetime and walk to the south china seain 6 months or a year, but decided it wasn’t fair to his family. That is what I convey here.

          • JL says:

            Yes,that statement was striking to me in the fact that my intuition told me that Forrest would have liked to take that chance of a lifetime but due to the timing of right before Christmas and the length of time his family would have to wait till he walked out and they knew he was safe and alive. That would not be fair to them, which every man at some point starts thinking less about what he would like and more about what’s best for the family

        • RealitySucks says:

          For me it will always be “how deep is the rabbit hole”. He will never say of course but it could be an incredible depth and like Alice I try to believe six impossible things before breakfast.

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      Forrest also said that the person who finds the chest will be someone who studies the poem, thinks about it a long time, and then goes with confidence.
      So I think that this person will have a very strong idea of where “Indulgence” is, but will still have to do some lookin’ around to actually get their hands on it.
      But that “lookin’ around” part is very much up for debate.

      • JL says:

        Good point, would you like to debate the “lookin around” part? Is it the lookin or the seeing that is important? The recovery part is also an important aspect for the searcher and the treasure.

  44. Buckeye Bob says:

    Have flashlight, will travel.
    “Indulgence” doesn’t have to be in a dark cave. It could be under the water, or in a dark recess in a hill side, or behind falling waters, or stuffed between and under large boulders, or whatever, where a flashlight might be a handy aid to finding it….or not.

    • Chesney says:

      The part that still strikes me wrong, is that he stated ” you will not have to disturb anything”. Anything at all or anything of value to someone?

      • JL says:

        Can we sum this all up sum how?
        She’s in the dark, do not disturb the environment that surrounds her, plan for at least two trips, and best to wear gloves.
        The glove part has me slightly stymied, heavy work gloves or the fine white gloves like curators use?

      • Buckeye Bob says:

        I think he means digging and the like. There’s likely to be some refuse of some kind, dusty gravel, sediment, maybe even a fallen tree over top of it.
        Maybe the chest is half buried and you can plop it right on out with a firm grip, who knows.

        • Chesney says:

          BuckeyeBob and JL, you both have great ideas. What if I give you a scenario? An old piece of something was blocking an entrance to what looks like a tomb. Hypothetically speaking, would I be disrurbing anything or grave robbing if it were not in a cemetary?

          • JL says:

            Hypothetically speaking,
            Only you can answer that, if you have come to the conclusion that it is a tomb and you will be disturbing a person at rest then can you with a clear conscience continue your quest? My understanding of a grave robber is they actively search in places of known remains whether a cemetery or not.

            Now on the other hand if it just looks like a good place to search for a clue to determine if anyone has utilized the area in the past it is more clearly just a search for knowledge.

          • Buckeye Bob says:

            Chesney, legally speaking I don’t know.
            By “old piece of something” do you mean like a busted door?
            Personally, if I can’t get into a tomb without disturbing it in it’s present form I wouldn’t go in.
            But if you’re talking about a fallen tree, then I might just heft that ol’ oak over my head and remove it…or otherwise get past the tree and just claim I lifted it like Paul Bunyan.
            But I’d be careful inside not to disturb the resident ghost, who holds a far greater claim than I.

            • Chesney says:

              Somewhere in the Rocky Mountains, there is something within a “Great Display”, that has been made by the person who hid Indulgence. It is not an actual cemetary, but was perhaps made to look, as such. All in hypothetical terms, and imagination from TTOTC Book.

              • Buckeye Bob says:

                Can you explain your thinking more? Especially your source of this idea?
                It’s an interesting thought. Forrest talks a lot about those who are gone now, about life and lives, and the depth of such that escapes the casual view.

                • Chesney says:

                  With all due respect BuckeyeBob, at least at this pount I don’t want to share my solve. Mr. Fenn is an artist, as well! “That’s all I got to say about that”! 😀

                • Buckeye Bob says:

                  No problem, Chesney. You did peak my curiosity though, as I think there’s something to the idea of a natural “cathedral” in this creation. Maybe not the same as you, but just the same.

              • JL says:

                That is a very profound statement, I’ve had dreams of this place you speak of. Hypothetically speaking how long would it take to create this display using resources at hand? In my dream the outer edges are blurry but at the same time united with the display, like it draws you into the center. You start from the outer edge moving towards the center if you go to far past center it becomes blurry again. This is a very large canvas, there is still work to be done.

              • pdenver says:

                Hello Chesney. This is very interesting.

          • JL says:

            I found myself thinking about this question all night. My daughter works for the BLM and last summer they had a private contractor survey an area that a company was seeking a permit to drill an oil and gas well. Turns out that this contractor found remains on a small rocky outcropping within 500 yards of a two-track road through the area. It was determined that this was an Indian grave maybe 200 years old. This location was kept secret from the public and no permit was issued for the drilling of the well.

            In regard to disturbing the area, people had obviously been within 500 yards or even closer but nothing was considered disturbed until the actual remains were found. This is just an example, I have no Idea what the legal answer is and that may just be dependent on who is the so called expert and if they and the government would like to make an example out of a certain case or if perhaps they would like to have what you had found.

            • Chesney says:

              That is kind of cool, JL. To think it had been there for so long, and nobody knew. Then when it was discovered was it legally by the contractor or not? That part is a little unclear to me. I would hope that out of respect, after it was discovered , a permit would not be issued.

              • JL says:

                It is my understanding it was discovered by the contractor, his job is to survey the area for artifacts before a permit can be issued to drill and in doing that he discovered the grave or remains, they seemed to be exposed to the elements from what I was told. No permit was issued for that area, and I guess you could say they were legally discovered because the BLM hired it to be done. My daughter works as a wildlife biologist and her job is t make sure there are no nesting eagles or other wildlife that may be negatively impacted by issuing a permit. She passed the story to me because she knows I have an interest in those things and that I spend days walking the high desert in search of certain rocks.

  45. JL says:

    If I had any money I would hire a guide, they feed you, put you up in a nice place, provide transportation once you get there and point you in the right direction. perhaps I should offer my services for a price then I could spend time looking between clients, it would beat the heck outta working for my the lil lady for free doing all her remodeling and repurposing.

  46. RM says:

    I am extremely new to this, so I apologize if this has already been asked and answered. The question I have is, has anyone identified the “key” word that Forrest has referred to in his poem?

    • JL says:

      I don’t think anybody has identified anything for sure in this chase, some may think they have identified the key but nothing is conclusive as far as I know.

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      I don’t think there is one key word. Forest was just saying that there was a key word that people hadn’t chewed over like the other words (at that time). And all the words might be considered “key” (something Forrest has said).

  47. JasonD says:

    This comment sparked a thought about cathodic reaction or electro-chemical reactivity of gold and bronze together in an electrolytic solution. The ph of the “wet” solution, in order for it to not react would need to be that of distilled water. Am I wrong in thinking it could cause the bronze to degrade if it is submerged?

    • JL says:

      I don’t think you are wrong but I am not a chemist.

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      That’s a good point and one I’ve checked into not too long ago.
      But remember that the gold is not touching the bronze. It’s touching the inner box some say is wood and I’ve pointed out is more likely tin plate steel. There would still be some reaction, however if I remember right the tin plate steel would form of seal of patina (?), which is something I didn’t cover in my post linked next at Dal’s site.

      And a link to the direct Forrest quote here at Jenny’s site:

      • Buckeye Bob says:

        Oh, I should add that tin and steel have very little effect in this way, which is why they did that electroplating process.
        And then tin and gold likewise have very little effect. Plus this “sealing” effect on the tinplate.
        The end result being that this box with gold in it is a very long lasting set up, probably as best as can be done.

        • Buckeye Bob says:

          Ahh, I found the site I read about this stuff.


          • JasonD says:

            Oh, okay. Thanks for the info @Buckeye Bob. I get the ‘tinning’ or galvanized process. I haven’t heard of a liner of wood nor tin steel mentioned by Mr. Fenn, but it is possible that he did.

            I am curious about the gold dust though. If stratified (assuming the dust isn’t in a container), in a moving “wet” solution, wouldn’t that get into contact with the bronze? So again, it is possible that he placed that in its own container as well.

            I’m mostly looking for a way to cross out possible hiddey places logically based on the ‘if not here,then’ thinking.

            • JasonD says:

              Ok, I found the comment about the tin steel lining you mentioned. This does answer my question about his thoughts on corrosion. Thanks again for your help @Buckeye Bob!

              • Buckeye Bob says:

                You’re welcome.
                Interesting stuff, isn’t it?
                I started looking for answers to the chest construction when I read that bit about the lid being “tin coated steel” from Forrest. I had been thinking about it before, but that comment spurred me on.
                The thing is, this doesn’t really help. At first I thought that maybe if the chest were under water it might last better against corrosion. But this explains that the oxygen in the water still can affect many metals. This tinplate steel is exactly the sort of thing to prevent those chemical reactions.
                But the chest, “Indulgence”, could just as likely be next to splashing water, or even hit by rain or suffer from condensation in a cave like location. This construction would be a real benefit no matter where it is.
                So once again, Forrest enlightens us without giving a whole lot away.
                He’s a cagey sort, that Forrest Fenn.

                • Buckeye Bob says:

                  Actually, I’ll take that back. Forrest has made more options for the location possible via the chest construction.
                  That’s actually a help to seekers whose solves would otherwise be eliminated.

                  My thinking is this. If the box were made of wood, the wood might decay over 1,000 years. Leaving only the bronze exterior, and I think that would not hold together under normal natural stresses over time.
                  I don’t know about this part, but I know that long sunken wooden items from the sea has to be treated when it’s pulled out of the water with a bleach solution. The bacteria will grow rapidly and eat the wood. So if the chest is sunken under water, when the finder pulls it out he may be surprised by the wood’s rapid decay (if, say a mountain stream, has such bacteria, and I think it would). Such a loss would be a big disappointment. So in this case, the chest can be placed under water.

                  So that explains two opposite reasons why this chests box is better being tinplate steel, opens up all possibilities for it’s location, and just makes this whole thing that much more interesting.

                  I’m no expert, but this seems logical to me. Maybe I’m wrong, but I do try to follow logic.

                • Chesney says:

                  I am not an expert either, but f is an expert. What if…? What if he placed the chest in an ammo can and waxed it so water could not hinder the chest. So many different ways to preserve it today.

                • Blatz says:

                  Hi Forrest

  48. Chesney says:

    Mr. Fenn said he took everything into consideration, with that said it will be there until the end of time. Despite some people’s beliefs, he is not a B.S.’er or a hoax. He likes “the game”, but he made it…. so why not? I am not Sherlock Holmes, but I can spot a liar from a million miles. He is NOT!

  49. Chesney says:

    I hope you find what you are searching for… probably a good chance of finding it. Best of Luck to you!

  50. Passenger says:

    Well…. that clue just discounted all the Whiskey Creek, Southern Comfort Ski Run and similar alcohol-related WWH’s. Bummer, I did like NFBTFTW as stumbling drunk…

    It also discounted the Wet Mountains.


  51. Spade says:

    A = Snow or rained at the site
    B = Or simply because of higher waters
    C = need flash light

    “Yes B”

    Now were really knee deep in the pot.

  52. OH says:

    There are 24 lines in the poem and 24 hours in a day. 12 of these lines start at “begin” and ends with peace.
    Physics: The science of matter and energy and their interactions. So if physics has to do with water and it’s interaction, so does the poem. Water intervals. 12 hours a day, water begins and at the twelfth hour the water is at peace in a 24 hour interval.
    Begin it where warm waters halt – Just take the chest and go in peace. The ten in between is you’re travels.
    But tarry = hang around. scant = a little. ———– But hang around a little, It’s with a marvel gaze.
    So where does water have timing in intervals? A volcanic area with an artesian well. Or with methane bubbles to push it up. Soda water just like a coke. Happy hunting.

    • OH says:

      And today is the day Forrest! I’m going in!

    • Chesney says:

      OH, whatever you do please be careful! Not sure of your direction, but Please Be Safe.

    • Passenger says:

      Good luck on your journey……. “So if physics has to do with water and it’s interaction, so does the poem.” From Physics to water interaction seems like a mighty big jump of relation.

      Otherwise, yes a dormant geyser, fumarole, mud pot or something similar has always seemed a plausible notion.


  53. Iron Will says:

    After exhaustive research, I have identified the writing in the rock face on the waterfall picture. This is writing that I and some others originally thought Forrest had put in there as a clue. I was able to track down the actual falls. It is the Glen Ellis Falls of the Ellis River in the White Mtns of NH. I found this video of someone hiking down to it and caught the “writing on the wall” so to speak at 7:24 seconds in….


    I even further cropped the clearest vantage point into MS Paint and rotated it. It is clearly names of two people etched in a little under a century and a half ago.
    H.A. Seaver(or Seavet) and A.S. Trottilson (or Troitilson) 1876
    Now what I have found even stranger upon looking about this wet physics using that picture of Glen Ellis Falls, is the location. Located just to the east of Glen Ellis Falls is Carter Peak, Carter being my last name. And Glen Ellis Falls is located in Carroll County, New Hampshire. I grew up in Carroll County, Virginia. Just some funny coincidences 😛

    • JC1117 says:

      That’s great stuff, Iron Will.

      Btw, that top name looks like H.A.Seavey to me…with a y.

      I found a jacket…perhaps made by his company. ???

      It’s for sale on Ebay right now.


      Perhaps a descendant of this guy.


      • JC1117 says:

        Funny “coincidences”, eh?

        The jacket for sale on Ebay might have belonged to this woman. If you click the pictures on the Ebay listing you can see the tag which says H.A. Seavey…as well as the name “LYN M–ENZIE”…which I presume means LYN MCKENZIE.

        Based on the fact that the jacket is a military-style women’s jacket…it makes sense that the jacket belonged to this woman. All the dates appear to line up.


        It looks like she lived an amazing life. She was a pilot. 🙂

        May she rest in Peace.

        • JC1117 says:

          Btw, the jacket may not have originally belonged to her from her time in the Navy WAVES which she joined in 1944. The initials (acronym?) JRMG are embroidered in the jacket…whilst her name LYN MCKENZIE is written on the silk in the sleeve. She didn’t acquire her married name McKenzie until 1955.

          However, after the war she WAS training WWII pilots to become commercial pilots in the flight school she founded…the McKenzie School of Aeronautics. This jacket was likely used for that purpose.

          It is also interesting to note that Lyn served “for 20 years as much-loved chief costumer of plays and musicals for the Portland Players”…the local theater group…in Portland, Maine.

          All of this from some letters chiseled in stone at the base of a waterfall. Coincidence?

      • Iron Will says:

        Yep I can see how it possibly might be a “Y”. I have Ancestry.com and I can’t find any census records anywhere for any of the name possibilities 🙁

        • Iron Will says:

          Also what is funny is these Falls is the location of a Geocache site.

          • JC1117 says:

            Very cool, Iron Will.

            I’d LOVE to visit the falls one day and find that Geocache. I’d have to think of something cool to leave behind…to possibly match whatever cool thing I might take away from it.

            On second thought…EVERYTHING in that Geocache is probably cool year-round. LOL! I better bring a rain poncho.

            On third thought…I’ll bring a sombrero, too…and go as Poncho Villa. 🙂

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