Featured Question and Weekly Words from Forrest: Hiding the Treasure

thrill of the chaseDear Forrest, may I ask what type of car you used to go into the mountains to hide the Treasure Chest. ~ Bill


Yes Bill, it was a sedan. f


The above Featured Question is also Weekly Words from Forrest for June 17th, 2016. The complete list of Weekly Words is here:

Weekly Words From Forrest Fenn

and the link to Featured Questions is here:

Featured Questions (category)

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159 Responses

  1. pdenver says:

    Thank you for this week’s Featured Question and Weekly Words, Jenny, Bill and Mr. Fenn. I greatly appreciate it. Hmmm…could a low profile vehicle be driven to where the vehicle was parked and return the way it came in? Fun question and answer. Something to think about.

  2. Dan says:

    I thought Mr. Fenn would of answered a Ford. Thanks for posting these Weekly Words. It gives me something to look forward to on Fridays.

  3. Onuat says:

    Was it a rented sedan,a borrowed sedan or just some sedan? Was it a Chevy,a Ford or just some car made in Sudan? Just kidding…LOL. 🙂
    Good Morning !! TGIF.

    • Seeker says:

      Now that’s funny… Sudan.
      Now we know why he had to walk… a car from Sudan can’t get pass the first two clues. I wonder if Little Indy was driving?

  4. 23kachinas says:

    I wish fday’s were more frequent.

  5. Chesney says:

    Thank You Mr. Fenn, Bill, and last but not least… Ms. Kile!!!

  6. DPT says:

    Look up Sedan. Sedan is a one person carrier used with poles on either side. Another word for this is a litter. Forrest call sign was Litter 81. A litter is a STRETCHER. A carrier is a carriage or gig!!
    Forrest did a scrapbook on dals site last November 2015. Art as an emotion. The first picture shows someone being carried in a sedan.
    Also look up bath chair. It was the first wheel chair. WWH?? It was created after putting three wheels on a bathtub. Other words for it are Rickshaw and carriage. Carriage and gig are important references for Forrest. That’s what the chant of the Texas A and M students is as they gather around the bonfire. Gig-em!!
    I have been throwing out a lot of information the last two weeks. I can’t seem to make it all fit to the geography of the place I am searching. It is my hopes that it will help someone.
    Lets find this!

    • Strawshadow says:

      Thanks Jenny, Dan and Mr. Fenn,
      It was a sedan, Dan. Hook em horns? DPT your gig is up, been there done that, if my memory is correct.

      • DPT says:

        Straw shadow, I am not sure what you are speaking of?

        My reference is to the Texas A and M Aggies. There chant towards their rival team the TCU horned frogs is: gig em. Not the university of Texas which is hook em horns.

    • E.C. Waters says:

      DPT – you and I think alike. Do be careful. In my experience, you will be smote by the crowd of people who are not like us in that they do not believe Fenn provides hints.

      For everyone else, here is a helpful link to what DPT is describing:


      Fenn also likes the word “banco”. As I am not very smart, I can’t tell if he’s implying to someone to get off their a$$ and finish their work because “sedan” has an etym of “sedentary”, or if he’s hinting something to do with these types of seats (banco and litter)… or if he’s just smugly answering the question. At the risk of more smite, my money is on hints, but I’m not smart enough to interpret why.

      DPT, seriously dude… you’re on it with what you’re seeing in the book pics. Please keep going with this thought. I’m enjoying your posts.

      • DPT says:

        EC, thanks and I agree as well with the hints.

        You are correct, banco is important to Forrest. Banco is a chapter in the book which I am sure you already know. But also EC a banco is a seat or bench. Look at the picture in that chapter. His dad is seated on the car fender and there is a big Pile of Rocks next to his car!!! That is also a bank or banco. Look up bank definition. As in river bank! Then think of the war for me story where he is waving like a windmill standing by a pile of rocks. A pile of rocks is a heap, bank etc. It is also a river bank, like a terrace!!! EC, You are onto it as well, we just need the correct geological correlation. That’s why you have to have the correct WWH!! Last line in book of TTOTC, go to the great banquet table. A table is a bench, workbench in a workshop. A terrace along the river bank or pond. Also Chase is also a chaise lounge which is a carriage or gig. The Thrill for the Chase:-)

      • DPT says:

        EC, also look up litter ( rescue basket). It is also a stretcher. Rescue helicopters use theses:-)

  7. Friend says:

    Hi Forrest, was it a 2 door or a 4 door? 🙂

    • Chesney says:

      A two door would be a “Coupe”, someone please correct me if I am incorrect.

      • Brad Hartliep says:

        A coupe is a two door but a sedan can be either. It has nothing to do with the number of doors and everything to do with body shape. A 3-box configuration with a B Pillar (Center post between windows) as opposed to a hard top with no xenter post.


  8. Forrest Fenn says:

    Yes Friend, it was. f

  9. Henry says:

    Haha, I love peoples’ questions, and especially Forrest’s answers! It’s nearly summer, let’s all get outside!

    • JC1117 says:

      That’s a great idea, Henry…Dear, Henry.

      That’s a GREAT idea, Dear Henry, Dear Henry…Great idea!

      I just took my sedan through the carwash to get ‘er all shined up and ready for exploring. It’s kinda fun being inside while going through the automatic carwash. Dontcha think? 🙂


      Boy oh boy! Were THEY sure mad after that!

      I had to buy them large Slurpees just to make them happy and cool them down before they walked me home. 🙂

      • JC1117 says:

        And a Big Thanks, again, to Forrest and Jenny and Bill.

        A sedan? Seriously?

        Maybe I can turn my sedan into a “4×4” and have 4 guys…with rugged, hiking boots…carry me.

        I reckon I’ll need to bring twice the vittles. You know what they say…

        “A sedan marches on its stomach” …or something like that.

  10. DPT says:

    Hi Forrest. Thanks for the weekly words. You don’t have to do it , so it is much appreciated. Happy Friday!

  11. Jeremy P. says:

    Previous ideas I’ve held that now seem unlikely (unlikely because there’s still a possibility that other transportation was rented on location):

    * Horses, ATVs, or other secondary transportation requiring trailers.
    * Roads that require 4WD vehicles.

    Although, I will say, I’m glad this came after I rented a 4WD and drove up a mountain, because that was so much fun.

  12. Bailey says:

    I wonder if a modern truck can be considered a sedan. “Sedan – an enclosed automobile for four or more people, having two or four doors.” I guess my truck is a sedan? It’s hard for me to imagine Mr. Fenn wheeling through the mountains in a caddy. His hat wouldn’t fit.

  13. Kim says:

    Got it. Always take the scenic route when touring. And search for accessible bathrooms. A boomerang of Love to all!

  14. Jim says:

    The lasers are in the lab
    The old man is dressed in white clothes
    Everybody says he’s mad
    No one knows the things that he knows

  15. pdenver says:

    “may I ask…”

    I am
    I AM

    Still thinking.

    • PLEASE says:

      So why (is it that I must go)…

      SOY, Spanish for “I am”

      MIA- many meanings from acronyms to names to musicals

      I know, I know…don’t mess with my poem (art)

      There it is again…IMO

  16. BW says:

    Diggin Gypsy are you there? Yes, we waited all week for this! 🙂 I feel like the old woman in the Wendy’s commercial…….where’s the beef?

  17. DPT says:

    The beef is in Sedan. Look at my post above. Surely I am not the only one in FOCUS, am I Forrest?

  18. Nope says:

    Mr. Fenn will you announce when the hob clue is solved?

    • Strawshadow says:

      He already has, Nope.

      • Nope says:

        I don’t know, Strawshadow, with so many people emailing him, his answer might have changed. Be nice to know from the only person who really knows.

        • The way I see it HOB is two different locations, one clue solved two ways. There are no rules in the chase just suggestions, but what do I know. I’m just a byestander.

          • Iron Will says:

            LOL “sunbuddyknows” that was cool, don’t know why sometimes it takes me so long to see 😛

            • Iron Will.
              I hope it helps you, for me I still have no certainty.

              • Iron Will says:

                Well you have certainty now. I just wonder if anyone else does?

                • Sounds like you Iron Will. Everyone is on a different level, most times I like to think I’m alone but that is not possible.

                • cynthia says:

                  Ironwill, Could you please email me an apple butter pie…or two or seven? I miss you and your pies. Only 351 more days until next year’s apple butter pies.

                • Iron Will says:

                  I just have faith in myself and what my mind sees. And speaking of what’s not possible, I’m waiting till season 4. I have some things I need to finish here first.

                  Cynthia! I know. I can’t believe I’m looking forward to something almost a year away myself. Maybe I need to get a life! 😛

              • JL says:

                IW season four is my favorite time to catch sum big fish, especially Browns and most of the competition is sitting by the fire by then.

          • Nope says:

            Sunbuddyknows… Byestander…or oh never mind. Could you share a bit more about your idea of HOB. I’m certain many people would like to read it. You might even consider starting a thread on chasechat.com.

            • Ok, I will start One on CC, might be tomorrow though. My gourmet dinner for my wife is about done that I started

              • Nope says:

                Look forward to it. It’s a good idea, and I hope you share. Plus you got her some wine. Right? 🙂 have a good night.

              • Nope says:

                I read it and I got to say that’s darn good reasoning. You should keep it up and not erase it, cuz it’s worth the read. I’m thinking I should rephrase my question to the big guy to… “Will you announce when 1/2 the hob clue is solved.” Thank you for sharing.

                • Thanks, Nope,
                  I guess it does no harm to leave it up. Most times everybody is talking too much to listen to what I have to say so I just keep my thoughts to myself. Maybe in my fall years, I should try to make a conscience effort to write more things down. I have so many thoughts running around in my head that maybe it would help organise them all. The problem is where to start.

      • Crow says:

        Straw shadow, when did he make a statement regarding the solving of hob? Must have missed something.

  19. Harry says:

    A sedan can be just about any type of car or vehicle. Its a typical non-clue from F.

  20. SL says:

    The Flyers call sign: 81 = 9. = 9 planets? – Great number any way you choose to look at it!


    Always appreciate your insight. Thank you!

  21. Ramona says:

    Thank you Jenny, Bill, and Mr. Fenn. I look forward to the Weekly Words and it is so much fun trying to figure out if/what they mean. I enjoy everyone’s responses too so I would like to thank everyone who responds too. Just one big party every Friday. =)

  22. Jeremy P. says:

    Of course the obvious question everyone wants to know. Did he rent a car, or drive his own? Would he rent a car if he stayed local? If he stayed local, would he prefer to drive a car instead of a truck/SUV in 2009/2010? Things to consider for NM/CO searchers.

    • Brad Hartliep says:

      IF he did, he most likely ‘rented’ a courtesy car at the airport .. it’s a courtesy offered not by the rental car companies but by the FBO to incoming pilots usually for a few hours while their plane is serviced ..

  23. Diggin gypsy says:

    For real who ask this question Who cares what he drove someone send jenny some good questions !!!

  24. chris says:

    Hey Jeremy — I went through this last year:

    He has stated that he RENTED a car. One could guess that because he rented the car, he flew to the location..otherwise he would have used his own. I think it’s doubtful that he would have rented a car to hide the chest in NM…. He may likely be noticed more so than if he drove his own.

    Fenn stated that he was worried there was a rental car record. That is one reason he states for not giving an exact timeline for the excursion. Still, anyone who works for the rental car companies (many are now joined together and use a common database) could look up his rental records and mileage within that year.

    One thing to remember: Fenn slipped away from his wife without her even knowing. He must not have been gone long.

    My question is not which car he drove… but how he got his boat to float. Forrest??


    • Jeremy P. says:

      Hey Chris, do you recall where he said he rented a car? Thanks.

      • chris says:

        It’s in a video Q & A session from a while back.. maybe the Moby Dickens bookstore video. There may be another source as well.. can’t remember.

      • pdenver says:

        Hello Jeremy P. Here is the link Chris is referring to:

        Time mark…33:59


      • Jeremy P. says:

        Thanks guys. I remember that interview, but he doesn’t actually say that he rented a vehicle. He said that he doesn’t want dates known because people might look at rental records, how many miles, and so on. He left the actual question unanswered.

        • chris says:

          If he didn’t rent a car then there would be nothing to find — hence no fear of finding rental records, etc.

          I’m sorry I can’t locate it.. but I think there is another interview as well where he mentions his rental car.


          • Jeremy P. says:

            It’s OK, Chris. Whether it was rented or not, a car presents a problem to NM searchers. Let’s call it “The Sedan Problem”.

            I don’t know all the trivia surrounding Mr. Fenn, but he does currently have a Jeep. He’s had that Jeep for some time. I imagine he has a bunch of cars, but he seems to prefer the Jeep these days. He even recently drove it to a radio interview.

            Now, there’s nothing that precludes him from driving a sedan to a NM location, whether his, or someone else’s, or a rental car, or whatever, but it does add an extra layer of complexity to a NM solve. If you are searching in NM, you have to account, in some way, for why Forrest would drive a *car* to hide his treasure chest. It’s not a deal breaker for NM searchers, but it does make things a little weaker.

            Regardless of how much a solution makes sense, it still has to cover practical considerations like that.

            The Sedan Problem certainly creates issues in terms of distance traveled from a regular road for every searcher, no matter where they are looking. You can’t take a car on many of the roads I’ve seen people taking.

            • chris says:

              Well, he also needs a trunk to conceal a $1M box of gold. Would you throw a blanket over that and leave it in the back of an SUV? What if you stopped or got pulled over by Highway Patrol?

              Here’s one more problem. Unless he flew the plane HIMSELF, he could not take the chest on board a commercial aircraft without a declaration and special considerations.

              So did he own a plane? According to Dal, he sold his plane years prior to hiding the chest. So what does that leave?


  25. William says:

    Testing a theory?

  26. colokidd says:

    Being rough terrain to my spot, presumably, figured I would bring my 4×4, but then again, maybe f nixed my four year solution with just four little words. ΩΩ

  27. DWRock says:

    An interesting discussion….flying with the chest seems unlikely: no way to get aboard without someone knowing what you’ve got. Riding with a friend in a plane, borrowing a plane, or borrowing a car all seem unlikely because the friend or lender would have suspicion of what you were up to (if not in the moment then retrospectively) “two people can keep a secret….”. so we are left with renting a car from home or driving one’s own car…. but this operation was very well planned and if someone does the digging I should expect they would find that Forrest behaved in a way that left the options open… Whoever has done that detective work hasn’t shared to my knowledge?

  28. DWRock says:

    I think ease of accessibility is something that we can infer from prior comments and further confirm from this one. Inferences: No 4×4 necessary… Short easy to moderate walk from parking spot (though “off trial”)… A three year old could find it if assisted in getting there… If one is within 12 feet of it one will not miss it…

  29. Chase Fan says:

    Well, now we know there was no coupe coup. Forrest is a man who made a
    plan with a sedan.🙂 These Friday words are so much fun to look forward to.

  30. Spade says:

    I guess by definition a minivan would be considered a sedan.

  31. Geoff Idaho says:

    Note to self:
    A sedan will do just fine, like the other times. (But bring a better map.)

    By the way, IMO, hoB is not one of the nine clues, according to my current map.

    “Have flashlight, will travel”

  32. Anna says:

    Do they gas a car for a journey in Madagascar or take a slow ride in a sedan chair. Just kidding. Maybe you have to see Dan somebody about the title. Always entertaining. Thanks Mr. Fenn, Sir. Happy Father’s Day. You should be proud of your beautiful family.

  33. Bella Noway says:

    What if they went on vacation together? He packed it along with whatever else they wanted to bring? She’s at the cabin, or out site seeing, and he sneaks out the back on a nature walk with the TC in tow? He could have hid it 50′ away from the sedan….

  34. 5-leaf blaze says:

    I like this phenomena that I’m seeing where people solve for their favorite places. The Rocky Mountains have always made me feel like anything was possible. If I could, I would ask Forrest how he would celebrate someone finding it, and ask the seekers what would seem fair – maybe a 10% tithe left in place for the runner-up?

  35. cynthia says:

    The sedan Forrest drove to the Fennboree was his 4×4 Jeep Laredo, if that helps anyone.

    • Jeremy P. says:

      How do you know, Cynthia? Thanks.

    • Jeremy P. says:

      Rather, how do you know that’s his interpretation of a “sedan”? That’s what I meant to say.

      • cynthia says:

        Jeremy, I don’t know what Fenn’s interpretation of a “sedan” is. I know the dictionary defines it as “a closed automobile having two or four doors and a front and a rear seat” which it does. I mostly wanted folks to know it is 4-WD.

      • Indy says:

        She’s simply informing those who didn’t attend that Forrest drove a 4-door sedan to the Fennboree. We have no idea if that was the car he used to hide the chest.

      • Jeremy P. says:

        I think it’s a stretch for mere mortals to consider that vehicle a sedan, but I’ll also acknowledge that Mr. Fenn is no mere mortal.

        • HeadedDown says:

          Could you imagine if you sold cars and some one came in. And said “I’d like to see the sedans you have to offer.” you bring them to the sedans. Talking them up. You get to them and she says “No, the sedans.” she then turns around and says these here. You say “yes of course the SUVs.” she says No, the dictionary defines a sedan as…”

        • Brad Hartliep says:

          A Jeep Cherokee Laredo is, technically, a station wagon. As are all Suburban-class SUVs. In fact, they were originally identified as wagons in the late 40s and 50s and 60s. Ever heard of a Panel Wagon. How about a Waggoneer? It is also technically a sedan – as all station wagons – excepting “hardtop wagons” (of which very few were made) – are sedans. Any vehicle that has a B Pillar and adequate seating for four adults in two rows of seats is considered a Sedan: a vehicle with 3 separate compartments for engine, seating for 4 adults, and a separate cargo compartment.


    • Onuat says:

      Laredo?? 300 miles from Toledo …hmmmm.Not 4 but 4×4 to walk. Just playing around. 🙂

  36. The Count says:

    Most have preconceived notions of what words mean sedan seem to be one of them.

    • Jeremy P. says:

      I would hope that in language words have preconceived notions of what they mean, or else it wouldn’t be a very effective way to communicate 🙂

      One may argue that Fenn was not trying to communicate what actual vehicle he was using when he answered the question, and that may very well be the case. I actually think the comment above where DPT drew a connection to his call sign, Litter81, is pretty creative. A little out there, but inventive. That’s a clever use of an alternate meaning to change what is being described into something that is not a vehicle.

      However, if he was describing a vehicle, a sedan is a sedan. The word carries preconceived notions along with it, as it is meant to. If I were to say, I am arriving at your house party in a sedan, you wouldn’t have any reason to suspect that you need to clear extra space in your driveway for my school bus, which also has “two or four doors and a front and a rear seat”. You probably also wouldn’t think you need space out back for my helicopter, also an “automobile” that matches some lazy dictionary author’s idea of a “sedan” (although, maybe I’m on to something there). You would expect me to arrive in an actual sedan.

      Of course, Fenn has his own rules and he says regularly that he applies definitions from the dictionary that may not be in common usage. But a sedan? I suppose if I were working on a solution where the word “sedan” just suddenly cracked everything open for me and it all became clear, I may want to look at these alternate meanings as something to consider. In nearly every other case, though, a sedan is a sedan. It’s a hard sell to say he went and hid his chest in anything other than what you, me, and everyone else thinks a sedan is. It’s very unlikely that he was carried to the chest’s location in an antique chair with two horizontal poles like he’s Tutankhamen.

      Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s amazing what people come up with. And yeah, I do think it would be great to hold on to the idea that maybe he was driving around in a 4WD when he hid his chest. I’m not sure that holds up, though. And it does matter, quite a bit. You’re left wondering how far an 80 year old man can walk from a normal, car-friendly road. That’s the question people should probably ask instead of how many weird ways I can stretch the meaning of the word “sedan”.

      I do it too. I look for alternate meanings. I’m surprised no one mentioned that an alternate meaning of the word “batter” is “slope”. Seems like that might help a lot of people’s solutions when looking for a “plate” (like the Rosetta Stone) in the mountains. I think I have enough discipline to stop short on looking for alternate meanings of the word “sedan”.

      I’d add “in my opinion” here, but I’m not sure this is my actual opinion on the topic. I’m just sitting in front of a computer on a Saturday night thinking out loud.

      • decall says:

        I think he just can’t say 4×4… not duplicateable. If everyone thought 4×4 was required would be a big mess, people getting lost or hurt. Actually seems like a big hint that you don’t need 4×4.

  37. pdenver says:

    As I read the comments about “sedan” and the possible meanings for the word, I tend to think that perhaps Mr. Fenn may be suggesting we look at the meanings of the words for his poem. The answer may have been in what we were doing…researching. Trying to think what he truly meant…so many possibilities.

  38. DPT says:

    As Pdenver, Jeremy P and others have stated. And I agree obviously with the possibility that Forrest used a different meaning to the words. I believe he uses the archaic and root meanings of words. Think about it. The meaning of sedan 300 years ago was different. There where no cars. What if cars are gone in 100 years? The root or archaic meaning of the word will last forever and Forrest loves old things:-)

  39. Jas says:

    Johnny Appleseed

  40. Deb says:

    There is a Sedan NM

  41. Diggin gypsy says:

    Jenny someone posted a comment using my picture I didn’t write that comment about music someone is poseing as me

  42. Diggin gypsy says:

    Nevermind I see the comment is on top of the name 🙂 my mistake

  43. Onuat says:

    I see the sedan is getting a lot of mileage.Forrest,are we there yet or have we passed the turn off.:)

  44. Jeff Street says:

    I do not” CHASE”
    I LEAD!!!

  45. Jeremy P. says:

    For what it’s worth, in this SB he refers to his Jeep as a Jeep:


  46. pdenver says:

    ‘Yes Bill, it was a sedan.’

    The sedan is now a rustbucket?

  47. Ben Brown says:

    wish i could going hunting,,,,,,mmm,,,,,but,,but,but,,,,,no lucks,,,,well foe one,,,,,cant do much from being on ssi,,,,,,an foe 2,,,,,my health is to good,,,,now i would be happy camper,,,,,,if i could sell,,,2 of my,,,,west va,,,,gem stones,,,,an then just maybe in a year or 2,,,,,if my health ever gets better,,,,then might be able,,,,,to gos hunting

  48. 1960 blue 4 door Chrysler or buick ,but yea I got the knockout key…what am I to do with it????

  49. Brad Hartliep says:

    Q&A from California Sunday Interview:

    Q: “You’ve searched for artifacts in deserted canyons?’

    FF: “Deserted Canyons is Not a Good Phrase.”


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