fenn's treasureIt has been awhile since I have posted specific thoughts concerning Forrest Fenn’s Thrill of the Chase.  That is not to say I have forgotten about it or haven’t been working on trying to discern the location of the chest. Of course not.  It, along with others, like Maranatha, Beale, Fandango, Kryptos, etc., are constantly passing through my mind and I’m not sure I will ever be able to get any of them out of mind; even if solved. They hold a special place in my heart.

The following is a musing I’ve had about the home of Brown in Forrest’s treasure poem.  There were some past comments Forrest made, along with the structure of the poem, which got me thinking and led to the proposed possibility.  And that is all I am saying it is; a possibility or a thought.  I am not saying it is for certain or that I like it all the time.  Many ideas continue to change or evolve.  And not just for this hunt, but for any that I work on.  Realize, I’m just sharing thoughts on a never-ending journey.

In the interview with Jennifer London (right around the 11 mark), Forrest was asked about what the home of Brown was.  He answered, ‘well that is for you to find out. If I told you that, you would go right to the chest.’  This hits me strange and causes me to ask, ‘Really?  What about the rest of the poem and the other clues?  Wouldn’t we need those to be able to actually go right to it?’

He also said that if we got the first ‘few’ clues….(and we know the definition of ‘few’ to be not many but more than one)….then a person could find the treasure.  Again suggesting home of Brown is key.

Now there are many ways to interpret or look into the above responses of Forrest’s.  They could be casual remarks and not meant to be scrutinized.

However, we as searchers, love to analyze and form possible conclusions.  I love it.  And so after considering those two responses, I began to wonder if the home of Brown isn’t the actual location of the Treasure and what needs to be found.  Here’s why.

We are told to ‘begin where warm waters halt, and take it in the canyon down, not far but too far to walk.  Put in below the home of Brown. From there it’s no place for the meek……(and so on).

What if we are being told exactly what we are looking for: The home of Brown?

What if we are being told to put in below it……implying the direction we would then need to take from ‘there’ or below it, is ‘up’.  We put in below the home of Brown or the possible location of the treasure, and then from there(below it), we move to it’s no place for the meek……

Many, myself included, have felt we need to ‘solve’ this home of Brown in order to move forward from ‘there’ within the poem.  However, it is possible that the actual clue here is only telling us that we are ‘below the location of the treasure/or the home of Brown.’  It is the home of Brown we will ultimately discover.

If this is the case, then in order for us to find this home of Brown (whatever it may be) we follow the rest of the clues to get there.

I find this very interesting because we all know Forrest has a clever mind, and he has been known to say a few searchers have gotten the first two clues correct.  Well, since no one has found the treasure, and IF the home of Brown is the location of the treasure, then the only way to get more than the first few clues right (in consecutive order) is if they find the treasure.

This possible interpretation of the poem coincides with Forrest’s before mentioned responses.  If we knew the home of Brown, IF it is the location of the treasure, then we could go right to the chest.  So the home of Brown could just be what we need to ultimately figure out, but not until the final clue is given.

Please feel free to share any thoughts about the above, and I wish you all the best of luck with whatever you seek!

134 Comments

  1. Could each clue be satisfied by 2 solutions? If for example your area was on hwy 24 in Colorado north of Leadville, It could satisfy Clara Brown, and Molly Brown. Other clues could be solved also. Everyone has probably noticed this in their solutions.

    bobby

          1. Hey Chris I am starting to think you are right… If each clue had 4 or 5 solutions that would make the odds of solving it infinitesimal. Perhaps he does not want it to be found until computers are able to comprehend poems… then they will crack it like an egg…:) That would fold into what is “IT” or would that be “AT”

            spallies

          2. Chris:

            I think 4 or 5 are too many, but I believe there are 2 (or at most 3) “routes” – all leading to a single “point of peaceful meeting” somewhere before the Treasure .. The One Forest expects us to take – or the one Chasers are over-thinking and making more difficult than necessary (walking through difficult, dangerous terrain, taking long hikes, etc) .. The One Forrest actually took (the “easy” one that an 80 Year Old could take) .. and, possibly, a third that might be a confirmation or a triangulation route .. i.e. Two or Three WWHs, all leading down 2 or 3 Canyons, which lead to 2 or 3 Put Ins “Below” the Home of Brown, which lead to 1 or 2 or 3 No Places for the meek .. all slowly converging toward The End (ever Drawing Nigh – in a circle, each is “left” of the other – and they get closer as they approach one another) – The “End” a single point of convergence or meeting – at a CREEK .. or the confluence of 2 or 3 creeks .. (or, if you believe in going “UP” the Creek without a paddle, you might be searching for a main creek that “splits” into two or three smaller creeks) .. you then follow the single creek (think of the confluence of Three Forks – The Madison, the Jefferson and the Gallatin, which combine to become the headwaters of the Missouri) .. looking for the rest of the clues .. The Treasure is “In The Middle” (Me In The Middle) – between Two (or 3) Routes .. two (or 3) Points of Direction to the Treasure .. One a Reverse – or a Mirror of the Other .. One is June. Or Mother. One is Skippy. Or Father. One is Younger Forrest. One is Older Forrest .. The merged creek is Forrest and Peggy walking together .. but the Treasure is off, a little space away from the River (Peggy – she understands when I need space to be alone) ..

            Brad Hartliep

            2. Very nice comment and yes there are two routes, one old (and dead) and one new. There are two routes from where the warm waters halt. I am not physically able to quickly get to the spot because my progress is not faster than 1 mile per hour. They are finally approaching both on the left of each other (270 degree turn in pilot talk) to a final double omega… In my humble opinion and boots on the ground. I must now go the 80-year old trip (and it is not for the meek but is for the 4-wheel drive). A truck was not available until after 9/3 to rent locally; I drove approximately 1700 miles one way in a rental small car. Disappointed but determined (or maybe just obsessed) I am now planning ahead with reservations, lol… Wish me luck or is that bad luck? The blaze is in the middle by the way.

              Steve

      2. In response to thoughts on multiple ‘home of Browns’ and taking time to consider the possibility….although we can each think what we want and I don’t want to persuade anyone away from their own ideas….I lean towards the HOB to be only one place, as he didn’t say ‘THEY are for you to find out’ when asked what is the HOB. It was merely IT, singular.

        Jenny Kile

      3. I have solved his riddle, I’m willing to tell you where this cheat is if your willing to split the findings with me. If your interested please let me know. This is not a joke!
        It only took me a hour to understand where he put this , it’s very simple And the poem is backwards in a lot of ways! Again if you will split it with me I’m willing to tell you.

        Jason

        2. Tell me where it is, with exact directions, starting from the beginning point, and if I find it (and it doesn’t overlap with my own research over the last 19 months) I will give you a percentage commensurate with the amount of work it takes to physically recover it – i.e. if I drive 13 hours and it takes me six hours to find the treasure and carry the treasure back to my vehicle, I will give you 1/20th of the treasure – since you only invested an hour at it and I invested 19 hours .. I might even be nice and give you a 10 percent cut ..

          Brad Hartliep

        6. Hi, Jason. I read your post and feel you might actually have the location nailed down.

          I will give you 60% of the haul if you help me find the treasure. I’m not money-motivated. I’m more interested in the experience of actually getting out there and looking for the prize.

          I live in Las Vegas, Nevada. Every year, a local radio station hides a painted rock and awards $10,000 to whoever finds it. Last year, I was directly across the street from the rock, gave up, went home, and went to sleep.

          The following morning, they announced the rock had been found. When I heard where it was, I nearly fainted.

          If you are okay with a 60/40 split, with you getting 60%, call me at 702-245-9307.

          Thanks. I look forward to hearing from you.

          Peter Moon

  2. Good thoughts Jenny. I like how you think. 🙂

    Reminds me of some other things that were said:

    Mysterious Writings
    Question posted 7/2/2014:

    Do you think that someone who is sure about the location of the home of Brown could reverse-engineer where warm waters halt? ~Ben Raylor

    Thanks for the question Ben.
    If you are sure about the location of home of Brown why are you concerned about where warm waters halt? But to answer your question, sure you could and a few searchers might throw in some gas money for a percentage of the take. Good luck.f
    ——————————-
    “There are several people that have deciphered the first two clues. I don’t think they knew it, because they walked right on past the treasure chest.” ff – Moby Dickens Book Shop in Taos/11-2-13.
    ——————————–

    Like many searchers, I also have many different theories, and one I have considered is perhaps not looking at it so much in a ‘straight line’ so to speak, but as an architectural design, where IF one arrives at the HOB, then the blueprint then takes another direction, …..which actually leads one right back to this same place …..not within the structure of the poem, but where one physically finds the chest. Thus explaining why one could solve the first few clues and POSSIBLY find it?? But to find the HOB, to solve that, …..one must probably?? first find the [blaze] or it won’t make any sense, or would be extremely difficult – why it would be there …..which of course would require figuring out the other clues to get one there. 🙂 Which is why ff also said:

    Mysterious Writings
    Question posted 7/1/2014:

    Dear Forrest,

    You tell us that we should find “where warm waters halt” before trying to solve any of the other clues. Imagining that we haven’t seen the rest of the poem, and all we have to go on is:

    a. “begin it where warm waters halt” and
    b. “somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe”

    Do you think that we can confidently determine the starting place for your treasure trail? ~ Steve

    No, if all you have to go on are those two clues you cannot proceed with confidence. Look at it this way. If you were making a cake and you left out a few ingredients, would you achieve your goal?

    Your question reminds me of another: You leave home and walk a straight line for a mile, turn 90 degrees left and walk a curved line for a mile and shoot a bear. Then you turn 90 degrees left again and walk a straight line back to your home. What color is the bear?f
    ——————————

    Mysterious Writings
    Question posted 6/20/2014:

    I have a question for Mr. Fenn:

    When you hid your treasures, did you take the same path that is described in the poem, or were you able to skip some of the steps because of your familiarity with the area?

    Thank you Curtis

    The clues should be followed in order Curtis. There is no other way to my knowlege.f
    ——————————

    So, although it does seem possible to find it with finding/knowing the HOB or the first few clues and by what he has said, …..it probably isn’t realistic. And thus he stated what he said above. And just because he said “the clues should be followed in order”, doesn’t mean he did 🙂 but it sure is looking like WE need to regardless of what HAS been said. And what has he repeated time and time again? – That first we need to figure out – WWWH. Because without knowing that-(which I don’t how anyone could ever know that for sure without finding the chest first- IMHO) then we can’t proceed correctly in our quest and really are up a creek without a paddle. To me, that IS the first clue and is the most important clue. With it, eventually everything else, every other part of the building, …..can POSSIBLY come together.

    And all just some of my thoughts on it, …..I’m probably way off!! 🙂 Jenny, What you said about the HOB just made me kind of think of that possibility again. Good stuff!!

    Project Why

    1. Thanks for adding those Project Why! Excellent gathering of words.

      I find the following as more support for hoB to be where the treasure chest is…..NOT saying it is fact…just that I like it as a possibility to support the idea further:

      You posted a statement made by Forrest:

      “There are several people that have deciphered the first two clues. I don’t think they knew it, because they walked right on past the treasure chest.” ff – Moby Dickens Book Shop in Taos/11-2-13.

      Did they then walk right on past the home of Brown (place of treasure chest)? and not travel ‘up’ to it?

      Jenny Kile

      1. Probably walked past it. Perhaps they were surveying the area/terrain. I walked past it because I only had a short amount of time on 11/2/13. I was surprised to see the comment about how she would have fainted if she knew…I returned the following year 2014. I do not think the HOB is the final solution. It just makes finding the blaze easier. The last part of the poem about if you are brave… I came to the conclusion that through an analogy that brave did not relate to having courage. Brave is to coward as (what) is to weak. Brave means strong in the physical sense. It is possible for an 80 year old man to get to the location. But I doubt that it is possible for someone without physical strength to retrieve the box. I’ve only had one location throughout my analysis.

        Kathryn

    2. “Your question reminds me of another: You leave home and walk a straight line for a mile, turn 90 degrees left and walk a curved line for a mile and shoot a bear. Then you turn 90 degrees left again and walk a straight line back to your home. What color is the bear?”

      —-

      That’s a funny question because it is confounded from the start. No matter where on Earth you are, you can’t make two 90 degree turns with any distance between them and complete a circuit. The very old puzzle should read “walk south..turn east or west.. and then turn north to get home again.

      If you didn’t recognize that, then maybe you aren’t really thinking for yourself, but relying on some false interpretation of another person’s wisdom.

      The Home of Brown looks like it is less than half way through the generally accepted list of clues. There is no reason to believe the treasure is anywhere near the Home of Brown. But you might well conclude the HoB is somewhere not too far from the canyon downstream from where warm waters halt.

      Muset

        1. The world is a marble-shaped globe. 90 degrees is 90 degrees everywhere on a local level.

          The difference between 90 degrees and an eastward (or westward) direction is the shape of the path required to remain within that constraint.

          I don’t think you understand; and worse, you refuse to understand. But it matters little.

          Muset

          1. last time I checked, if you are traveling an eastward path and turn left 90 degrees, you will be facing north. And all northern paths taken at 90degrees off the eastern path converge at the North Pole. If you don’t believe me, then try it for your self. Likewise, if you are traveling south and turn left 90 degrees you are now going east. So work it out.

            You start at the North Pole and go south a certain distance. You turn left 90 degrees and go east. After a certain distance, you turn left 90 degrees, which means you are going north. Now if you travel the same distance as you did in your southerly journey, you will return to your starting point.

            Mark J

              1. Directions, yes. But I do not think a compass is what a fly fisherman would have used. I finally picked a different interpretation of Look quickly down. This time there is no compass and no typical definition interpretation of words. Will see how it goes.

                Kathryn

      3. “Your question reminds me of another: You leave home and walk a straight line for a mile, turn 90 degrees left and walk a curved line for a mile and shoot a bear. Then you turn 90 degrees left again and walk a straight line back to your home. What color is the bear?”

        leave house walk straight line for a mile
        turn 90 degrees left
        walk a curved line for a mile
        turn 90 degrees left again
        walk straight home

        this makes a pie slice shape, not hard to follow.
        leaving your house and walking a straight line is really random because it gives no direction but the rest would follow. The color of the bear would depend on where your house was so it is specific to the reader with no location yet identified. Location needs to be identified before directions are given. If this is a direct comparison then location should already be determined before you need the directions of “begin it where warm waters halt”

        Rob

  3. I had sent another question to Jenny for forrest awhile ago. I ask if anyone had been close to the home of Brown. So well with the answer above, sounds like they have been. Maybe the person who walked right past it, Did not go up the right creek. I think this is what I ask?

    Linda

  4. Jenny [and Forrest] Thank you for the original comments and reposting this important information about the HOB. Imo there is a general HOB and a specific HOB with a similar name. Like 100,000 other people, a guy named Dal, one Bass, and a few Russians Im trying to move in with Mr. Brown at the correct creek.

    lia

  5. Jenny, Thanks for this topic…the home of Brown has been the most difficult clue for me to figure out in the two years I’ve been searching. I believe there is only one specific, unique HOB, since Forrest said ‘well that is for you to find out. If I told you that, you would go right to the chest.’ If Brown meant brown trout, bats, bears, etc, there would be oodles of possibilities, but IMO that is not the case. Plus he has repeatedly stated that you can’t find HOB without first finding WWWH…why is that? I also believe that his words “home of Brown” aren’t as literal as we think due to him revealing “There are several people that have deciphered the first two clues. I don’t think they knew it, because they walked right on past the treasure chest.” I believe they missed “put in below the home of Brown” because HOB has nothing to do with a home or the color brown or a surname Brown, but is abstract for something or somewhere…I’m stumped, though…so sorry, I’m of no help.

    cynthia

  7. Jenny, great thoughts to ponder!

    So much speculation on hoB over the years…My problem with understanding hoB and for that matter the poem itself is, Are we reading the poem correctly? I have seen many thoughts/ideas of searchers and most seem to take a direct line by line reading. Well of course, we have been told the clues are in consecutive order, Right? FF has stated that we need to deciphered the clues. Which in my line of thinking could mean, We see a single thought of a clue…WWWH, hoB, etc… But are those words and sentences simply a single thought?

    hoB itself may hold many meanings, to be understood how, to use it as a single clue. ‘ IF ‘ we were to believe that we have to begin the poem at ” begin it where warm waters halt” [ which I believe was never truly stated but misinterpreted ] Then, with FF statement …”If I told you that, you would go right to the chest.’” [ hoB ] seems to tell us that’s where the chest lays in wait or at the very least within feet away.
    Or is he just not going to give a useful clues and simply saying…’ Why would I tell you a clue that would help lead you to the chest? ‘ But FF is a clever man, making his comment intriguing and thought provoking, with out any help to aid a searcher.

    Another way of looking at the poem is, not to read it to see a single answer but Maybe, see many many hints that lead to a single clue.

    Example; If a line/sentence in the poem read as, Put in below The Big Apple. We could assume it to be NYC. But how can we use NYC as help to find a clue? It’s not even in the search area. All that sentence states is the area we need to be in, is below NYC. As well, an Apple can be Red, Green and even when rotted, turns blackish. Could we use that information as well to understand another decipher of the meaning. At which point we now have three hints of one sentences to understand what a single clue could possibly be, In which case NYC is not so much a clue as, just part of hints, deciphered to collectively understand a single clue. It give us an area with a Name, it give us Things to understand, it gives us a Place to be below, and maybe why Brown is capitalized to begin with.

    Then again the entire poem could be a representation of a very small area with the clues only feet from each other. Which bring me back to my original thought, Are we reading the poem the way it was meant to be read?

    You keep me on my toes and thinking with your post Jenny, so I thank you for that.

    Seeker

    1. I agree do you also think FF is telling us this in his quote
      “I’m looking at the big picture. A lot of people who are searching for the treasure don’t see it the same way I do.” (Or am I taking it out of context)

      Full quote – Somebody could find it tomorrow and it may not be found for a thousand years. I’m looking at the big picture. A lot of people who are searching for the treasure don’t see it the same way I do. I would love if someone found it tomorrow but if nobody found it for a hundred years, that’s okay with me too.”

      Kat

  8. I have had home of Brown as at least 10 different places as I have arm chaired searched. From each of those places I have completed the rest of the poem to at least 30 different places. I have my favorite 4 or 5 hoB places with my favorite 4 or 5 spots for the chest.
    The ONLY thing I do know about the chase is that I can’t find it at my home (name’s not Brown 🙂
    Hope to have a trip this summer to my locations. I think I will only buy a one way plane ticket…I wouldn’t be able to check in the treasure chest on the way home!

    Moonshadow

  9. nice post Jenny….

    I thought about HoB for a while and I started playing with the capital B in brown.. I thought you could switch the B for an a since its capitalized it means to look at the letter above it…. when you look up arown it means (chest, ark, ark of covenant, coffin)..

    Well I looked for coffin in the search area and there is a mountain in Wyoming named mt coffin… could this possibly be home of brown??

    cluesfromPhilly

    1. cluesfromPhilly – Here are two posts I did,…in response to Forrest’s post about fly fishing on the Rumbaugh Creek,…near Firehole Ranch, MT:

      https://mysteriouswritings.com/forrest-is-there-a-place-youd-like-to-go-visit/#comment-46596

      https://mysteriouswritings.com/forrest-is-there-a-place-youd-like-to-go-visit/#comment-46603

      See: Coffin Peak, Coffin Lake, Coffin Creek

      The Grizzes that come down from there to the ranch area,…are “home of Brown” with a capital “B”! 🙂

      E*

        1. Forrest’s idea of danger,…regarding Grizzlies:

          http://dalneitzel.com/2014/12/21/scrapbook-one-hundred-eighteen/

          “My father warned that grizzlies ranged in the area where I was going so I planned to carry a dead fish. If I met a bear I’d throw the fish at him and run downhill. A grizzly’s front legs are shorter than its hind legs so I would have the advantage if it came to a race. Besides, my incentive would be greater than his.”

          You are right,…”He did not say….Take some bear mace. ever”. 🙂

          E*

      3. E*-
        I found it… Coffin mountain, lake and creek are all located in Gallatin national forest….that is named after Albert Gallatin, a politician from PA who was the treasury…maybe this is why there are clues of PA and Philadelphia in the poem, and why Forrest mentions Albert Einstein??

        cluesfromPhilly

        2. cluesfromPhilly – I saw your great new solve,…over at Dal’s,…and his response,…but I think that Coffin Creek area,…below Coffin Lake,…looks a little canyonish to me (and note the nice trail),…and I did hear the Grizzes are up that way FYI,…from the folks at Firehole Ranch:

          http://dalneitzel.com/2014/12/19/the-nine-clues-12/#comment-67531

          Didn’t Forrest say something about having a good map?:

          http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=44.7631&lon=-111.3611&z=14

          E*

  10. Lots of good thoughts.

    To me, it’s also like reading a schematic, but a Fenn schematic, I guess you could say 🙂 which involves not only trying to interpret/figure out clues in a poem, but ‘understanding’ exactly where he is coming from. Instead of lines and diagrams leading to a specific geographical spot, he uses ‘words’ to guide us there, and they must be read in a certain order, because if we don’t know what the heck he is talking about, then the wrong wires are connected and one ends up at the wrong place and the house burns down, so to speak.

    And just like a blueprint, all the clues COULD very well be close together within that area, within that picture, map?? …..But requires identifying those abstracts or ‘aberrations’ he speaks of …..to see it. Otherwise, I think someone would have already taken the straight path right to it. And that also fits in line with – if someone KNEW specific clues, then others could be bypassed or short-circuited(which he says they can’t) – like if someone knew the HOB? He knows that even though he says that, that it isn’t possible, because how would we ever know? He knows we must follow the clues, …..at least from the beginning, but maybe not have use all of them? And that is why he has said what he has about the HOB and about only solving the first few? And like the idea of the HOB being where the treasure is or perhaps close to that, it also reminds me of other things that have been said:

    ♦Don’t go where an eighty year old man couldn’t go

    ♦Not associated with a structure.

    “Searchers continue to figure the first two clues and others arrive there and don’t understand the significance of where they are.” f — Forrest gets crazy mail.

    Mysterious Writings:

    “There isn’t a human trail in very close proximaty to where I hid the treasure.” f
    —————————–

    So, where did he go, that he could carry it out openly, but also where others continue to arrive, but don’t understand the significance of where they are?

    I mean, and what does he consider close proximity? I thought it was interesting that in Scrapbook One Hundred Thirteen… “The Attraction of Pickles”, where he said:

    “Pickles is retired to an honored place on a bookshelf with a few of his cousins, once removed. They were store-bought so Pickles doesn’t want them in his close proximity.” f

    — Here, in this version of what he considers ‘close proximity” is spelled different than the first, perhaps drawing attention to such, but also showing what he considers ‘close’? Not very far apart are they?

    But just some more instances of how one can look at things said and what we are associating with what we consider clues, like the HOB? I look at things like that and must ask myself, “How does that fit in with where it could be in ‘proximity’ to everything else? How close is all of it?”

    I try to look at it as logical as I can, although I have had many different theories in the past, as I’m sure most have, 🙂 …..that have included codes, cyphers and coordinates and entertaining the idea that there could be many different meanings/layers to the things he has said, and each word, …..at this point, I’m just trying to avoid making it any more difficult than it already is and to keep it as simple as possible and attempt to get back to just trying to ‘understand’ where to BEGIN.

    But I do like the thought though of the HOB perhaps being that place in the diagram/search area being of such a significance that we no longer continue in a straight line, …..take a turn, so to speak, and not really make a major change in directions so much, but should I say ‘switch gears’? WWWH – Not far, but too far to walk – HOB – No place for the meek?? – etc., etc., ….. all things left up to interpretation!! Just like most of the things he also says that we all consider of any help. He knows what he’s doing!! 🙂 And he architected it in such a way that we WILL get frustrated over and over, although also enjoying the thrill of the chase, before we ever get close, …..most likely. What a great design!! 🙂 It fulfills all the reasons for doing it in the first place, doesn’t it? And as far as our theories, we probably won’t know if any of it is correct until the chest is found or unless he eliminates or validates something. But until then, we go with confidence, not because we know where it’s at, but because we have to……….

    Does any of that make any sense? Again, …..just thoughts, not answers. 🙂

    Project Why

    1. Hi Project “Why”,

      I like your thoughts and thanks for the spelling error for proximaty??? I guess if you believe where you know where the chest is but you can’t retrieve it (maybe due to weather or your own limitations) it would be extremely frustrating….:) I don’t 100% agree with you that we would “have to” continue to go with confidence… unless it’s part of the poem ofcourse…:)

      spallies

  11. What else would it be a part of? And “why” wouldn’t you go with confidence?

    Nice dog. I used to have one just like it. 🙂

    I don’t expect anyone to 100% agree with me on all levels, because in reality there can only be one person who picks it up. …..not saying I’m the one, because I’m sure I’m probably way off, …..but in this regard.

    I don’t know where the chest is, …..if I did we wouldn’t be talking. 🙂 And that is not from weather conditions, but my own limitations.

    I never said “extremely”, but only frustrating, …..sometimes, not all the time. 🙂 and that is once one reaches a certain point in all of this, …..maybe you haven’t, maybe you never will, but many have and many will. Now don’t get me wrong, I enjoy the thrill of the chase, have my whole life, but eventually you either find what your searching for or you move on………., unless you’re just enjoying watching others search for something and find, not only entertainment, but fulfillment in what someone else has done their whole life. I mean, I love FF’s stories and think a lot of him as a person and have much respect for all that he has done, but make no mistake, …..I’m here to find the chest!! Because when it comes down to it, we all do what we gotta do to take care of those around us, …..just like he did. And these thoughts will go different ways with people, depending on where you are in life. I don’t expect anyone who really doesn’t need it or couldn’t use something like this to understand that. And if it is merely for self-gratification or the challenge to just solve something that has been put in front of you, then good for you, …..you must be retired? 🙂

    Project Why

    1. Ha Ha your funny… No, I am not retired. My daughter told me about the Chase and I promised her I would find it so we could go to Maine and look for the key to Fandango…. I have been looking for his key to the wind for a long time. I have learned about every nook and cranny in Acadia and I hope to go there someday… My own little Rocky Mountains…:) Yes, I do it for the thrill but I got into it for the Chest. Actually after the holidays now I have even more reasons I want to find it… Although, to be honest sometimes I forget entirely about the chest for one reason or another…:) But I won’t lie to you I would really like to find it… even though I am giving it back to Forrest… I imagine I could write a book or something and try to get enough money together to get to Acadia…:) And yes, I love the stories as well… May they never end… Except come the new year I will need to step back from the chase and concentrate on my job… I actually work for the most amazing company…:) I don’t think many people can say that these days!

      spallies

  14. Dang PW, what are you doing???….practicing to write a book?? LOL!!

    Forrest has said “not to mess with the Poem”, that “the Poem is straightforward” and “to follow the clues precisely”. So, yes, the Poem must be read in the correct order!

    Where to start??…. How about here:
    Questions with Fenn (06/02/14) – – “The most common mistake that I see searchers make is that they underestimate the importance of the first clue. If you don’t have that one nailed down you might as well stay home and play Canasta.” F https://mysteriouswritings.com/questions-with-forrest/questions-with-fenn-archive-1/

    Forrest has never said what the first clue is. He has, at different times, started reading the Poem at WWWH; but never in any way that can be construed as answering the question of which is clue #1 or where to start. In order to read the Poem in a straightforward manner, you have to start with stanza 1.

    IMO………

    I agree that the searchers who got the first two clues correct (and apparently did not know it) did not know where or what HOB was, as far as it pertaining to the Poem…..So, HOB is at least the 3rd or 4th clue, reading the Poem as written.

    That leaves us with lines 1 thru 7….we have departed WWWH @ line 6, so I discount either of those as the actual start. We now have lines 1 thru 5……Lines 1 thru 4 (stanza 1) appear to be describing one (1) unique location and line 5 tells us of WWWH.

    So, IMO, you must find the location that mirrors the words used in stanza 1. Upon doing that it will be immediately obvious what WWWH is, within that location!….then you can begin the actual journey.

    And while it might be possible to reverse-engineer from HOB to identify the location in stanza 1, I don’t think so. And without being able to see the words in stanza 1 within that location, you cannot be certain that you are taking it correctly in the canyon down.

    Forrest is correct (I don’t know why people don’t listen??), you must have the first clue nailed down. There is no other way to solve the Poem with any certainty of the outcome. Certainly you cannot go directly to the chest, otherwise…….and yes, the location in stanza 1 does exist, in the Rocky Mountains, North of Santa Fe!!! 🙂 ……..Hope some part of this makes sense????

    (yeah, PW, I know. Who’s writing books now?? LOL!!…not real happy with you about this, I told you I wasn’t going to post anymore!! 🙂 )

    locolobo

    1. Dang it you ol’ coyote!! 🙂 I figured you be watching from behind some piñon tree. Couldn’t help it could ya?

      Well, I figured if The Wolf needed 4000 words to describe one clue in the poem, but Forrest only needed 20,000 for his whole life, then I’d better get with the program and find a happy medium. 🙂

      Now, what a minute? Is it just me or did you just say pretty much that WWWH is the first clue? And to identify that, one needs to figure out where the first stanza is talking about, since it is probably describing it? Correct? No? …..oh well, I tried. 🙂

      Why would you want to reverse-engineer the HOB?

      But I do agree with this:

      “Forrest is correct (I don’t know why people don’t listen??), you must have the first clue nailed down. There is no other way to solve the Poem with any certainty of the outcome.”

      Peeeeeeeeeeeace.

      Project Why

  15. I think that the first stanza is referring to the area described at the end of the poem “map.” The end area is mostly described in the last two stanzas. This is the most difficult part of the clues, IMO. This is also the area where Forrest has been giving all of his additional hints in his scrapbooks and other areas. He doesn’t give much additional hint information about the path of his clues before the last 2 stanzas. One exception: I think, when he says if he told you where the Home of Brown was, you could go “right” to the chest, means just that. From the home of Brown (as you face it from your search route) if you turn to the right, you could go directly to the chest. That doesn’t mean it is necessarily close to the HOB. Forrest has said to think big or look at the big picture. Most searchers aren’t doing that. I think the chest is many miles from the HOB.

    John

    1. Mysterious Writings
      Featured Question with Forrest: Talking in Circles?

      Hi Forrest,
      You once said you walked the 92 miles from West Yellowstone to Bozeman to just experience it. Obviously you were much younger than you were when you hid the treasure. Too far to walk means different things at different ages so I was wondering if you would be so bold as to give an estimate of how far you walked to hide the treasure after leaving your car: was it >10miles, between 5 and 10 miles, between 1 and 5 miles, or less than 1 mile? ~Thanks, Ron

      Ron, your question sounds like a travelogue, but I’ll answer it. No, I don’t want to be that bold. But I will say that I walked less than a few miles if that will help. I just looked “few” up and one definition is “scant.” Why do I sound like I’m talking in circles? f
      ——————————

      Mysterious Writings
      Question posted 6/19/2014:

      Hi Forrest,
      I’m curious about your time spent in Biloxi, MS, at radar mechanics school, and I was wondering if you received any technical training on electrical/electronic theory and circuitry? Schematics, circuit tracing, troubleshooting components, things like that.

      That is what the school was about mostly and I’ll admit that I don’t feel rewarded for having attend it.

      Also, you’ve mentioned on multiple occasions that it took two “trips” to secret the chest and contents to a very special place. Perhaps someone has already asked this, but I’ve not found an answer yet posted or video recording that contains an answer. Forgive me if this is redundant, but were both trips made on the same day/date? Not to be anal, but that would be one spinaroo of the giant ball we call Earth that constitutes a single 24-hour day to its humble inhabitants.

      Thanks so much.
      Kind Regards,
      Joe

      Joe, you make this thing so complicated. Reminds me of the reason I don’t like meetings. I hope you don’t belong to a PTA someplace. I made two trips from my car to the hiding place and it was done in one afternoon.f
      ——————————

      Mysterious Writings
      Question posted 6/20/2014:

      I have a question for Mr. Fenn:

      When you hid your treasures, did you take the same path that is described in the poem, or were you able to skip some of the steps because of your familiarity with the area?

      Thank you Curtis

      The clues should be followed in order Curtis. There is no other way to my knowlege.f
      ——————————

      That doesn’t mean it is necessarily close to the HOB. Forrest has said to think big or look at the big picture. Most searchers aren’t doing that. I think the chest is many miles from the HOB. – John
      ——————————

      Well, I’ll agree with the first sentence.

      “Think big”? “Look at the big picture”? “Most searchers aren’t doing that”? — That is quite the bold statement!! How do you know what everyone is doing? Just because someone says something on a blog, doesn’t mean they are telling you everything. Most people, I believe, have many different theories and this discussion is about only one of those.

      “I think the chest is many miles from the HOB”? Perhaps…..

      But I will ask you this: If the chest is many miles from the HOB, then how do you explain the statements above?

      And let me get this straight, “The chest is many miles from the HOB, but you could go directly to the chest”?

      Hey, have you seen? There is a new movie coming out: “Forrest Fenn and the lost tribes of New Mexico” — And it’s showing on The Big Picture!!

      Project Why

    3. I agree the home of Brown is miles away from the treasure. The big picture just narrows down the area to find the treasure you have to walk the area and find the blaze. He purposely did not encrypt lat or long coordinates. He wants people to go out and explore. The poem and clues just point to a rough geographical area. I have spent hours on my computer and I am convinced you can’t find the chest without physically exploring the general area. I think it is in a remote area where he and his car would not likely be seen. The area should have trees and the ground fairly easy to walk even for a child. I loved the woods when I was growing up because I could lie down look at the sky through the tree leaves and be at peace. Forest is a child at heart. He hid it away from people and structures. He and his treasure are of the earth as in Mother Earth. No one will pinpoint the spot on a map. There are probably dozens of spots in the rockies that fulfill the poems clues . Some lucky person walking in one of those spots will see the blaze someday and find the little box crammed in between some big boulders with some water trickling out of the rocks.

      Mark young

  16. PW-
    None of the quotes you showed contradict what I have stated. You don’t understand the context or intent of what Forrest said. When he says that the clues must be followed in order he is correct, each clue builds upon the last one. You must solve one clue in order to solve the next clue. That DOES NOT mean that after you have solved most or all of the clues that you must take the same physical route to get to the end area. If you knew of the solution I am using it would be foolish to follow the clues on the ground as they are written in the poem. Maybe this is why many people are not getting the correct solutions.

    The reason I say that most searchers seem to not be looking at the big picture is when they talk about finding what they think is the Blaze and then limit their search area to somewhere immediately below the blaze. The blaze clue is only about half way into the poem. There are several more clues and a long distance yet to get to the chest, IMO. Or even when they think they have a solution to what the HOB is, they begin looking all around in that area for the blaze or even a clue to the actual chest. In my searches (and I’ve been on the ground dozens of times) most of the clues, except for the ones in the last two stanzas, are each over 10 miles apart. I’ve seen very few bloggers talk about their solutions as being spread out this much.

    Forrest said he walked less than a few miles to hide the chest AFTER LEAVING HIS CAR. He didn’t walk the whole route of the clues in the poem. Isn’t that obvious? He drove to the closest location that he could drive to near the hiding spot then walked, I think, less than 1 mile, thus two trips from his car in one afternoon. But it could have taken him several hours to drive to the place where he parked his car.

    And yes, even though the chest could be many miles from the HOB, you could still go directly to the chest. That doesn’t necessarily mean that you would travel in a perfectly straight line to the chest, but it would be in one general direction to the chest, as in, you can drive directly from Los Angeles to San Diego. So when your are facing the HOB, if you go to the right, you could go right to the chest.

    Are you starring in your lost tribes movie? If so I’d sure be interested in seeing it.

    John

    1. “If a person reads the poem over and over…and are able to decipher the first few clues in the poem, they can find the treasure chest.” f

      “There are several people that have deciphered the first two clues. I don’t think they knew it, because they walked right on past the treasure chest.” f

      — Moby Dickens Book Shop in Taos/11-2-13.
      ——————————

      Here, I attempted to respond to your statements, mine are after — in brackets:

      None of the quotes you showed contradict what I have stated. — [I wasn’t trying to contradict you, …..only asking you explain it compared to what you said?] You don’t understand the context or intent of what Forrest said. — [When it comes to this chase, don’t ever tell someone that they don’t understand something!! Because until you find the chest, John, then all ANYONE says is merely speculation.] When he says that the clues must be followed in order he is correct, each clue builds upon the last one. You must solve one clue in order to solve the next clue. — [Of course.] That DOES NOT mean that after you have solved most or all of the clues that you must take the same physical route to get to the end area. — [Like I said, …..perhaps?, but won’t know till the chest is found?] If you knew of the solution I am using it would be foolish to follow the clues on the ground as they are written in the poem. Maybe this is why many people are not getting the correct solutions. — [If you know so much, then why don’t you go get it? 🙂 ]

      The reason I say that most searchers seem to not be looking at the big picture is when they talk about finding what they think is the Blaze and then limit their search area to somewhere immediately below the blaze. — [Again, how do you know what everyone does?] The blaze clue is only about half way into the poem. There are several more clues and a long distance yet to get to the chest, IMO. Or even when they think they have a solution to what the HOB is, they begin looking all around in that area for the blaze or even a clue to the actual chest. In my searches (and I’ve been on the ground dozens of times) most of the clues, except for the ones in the last two stanzas, are each over 10 miles apart. — [Again, this is your theory and it’s just that, …..a theory. You speak too much as definite.] I’ve seen very few bloggers talk about their solutions as being spread out this much. — [I haven’t. Lots of people have said this.]

      Forrest said he walked less than a few miles to hide the chest AFTER LEAVING HIS CAR. He didn’t walk the whole route of the clues in the poem. Isn’t that obvious? –[No. It’s all left up to interpretation as far as I see it. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t? He says things a lot of things that are ambiguous. He knows what he is doing. 🙂 ] He drove to the closest location that he could drive to near the hiding spot then walked, I think, less than 1 mile, thus two trips from his car in one afternoon. But it could have taken him several hours to drive to the place where he parked his car. — [Perhaps. He could have. But to say he did in definite terms is being a little naive, I believe?]

      And yes, even though the chest could be many miles from the HOB, you could still go directly to the chest. That doesn’t necessarily mean that you would travel in a perfectly straight line to the chest, but it would be in one general direction to the chest, as in, you can drive directly from Los Angeles to San Diego. So when your are facing the HOB, if you go to the right, you could go right to the chest. — [This pretty much sums up your whole thought process, …..to me. It’s just too vague and not precise enough, ….all spread out. It’s kinda like the thought of WWWH being the Continental Divide or the whole Rocky Mountain Chain, …..your are just throwing spaghetti on the wall to see if it will stick, …..but aren’t we all? 🙂 ]

      Are you starring in your lost tribes movie? If so I’d sure be interested in seeing it.
      – [Of course!! Because I’m totally lost, …..and I’ll be the first to admit it. 🙂 ]
      ——————————

      My dear fellow, I do believe that is enough though John, because you just really haven’t presented a very compelling case. Doesn’t mean you are wrong, because I don’t know your full solution. But if this is what it is based on, ths “Big Picture”, then go for it……….

      Good luck

      — Maybe you could give the reference where he said, “To think big or look at the big picture”? I seem to have misplaced it.

      Project Why

  17. PW-
    Just because someone CAN find the chest after deciphering the first few clues does not mean they necessarily WILL find the chest. Forrest writes things in a way that can mean something other than what we think. So what if someone deciphered the first 2 clues and then walked right on past the chest? Without divulging my solution, that is entirely possible yet the clues are still over 10 miles apart and you have several more clue locations to get to before you get to the final clues of the poem.

    You asked how could I explain the statements of Forrest if I believed the chest is many miles from the HOB. I responded by saying that you do not understand Forrest’s context or intent. Then I went on to explain what I thought you (and others) didn’t understand. You took offense because I didn’t say IMO. Well, I stated IMO and “I think” in my first post. I don’t feel it necessary to repeat those statements after everything I say, even if your “bloggers’ code” says otherwise.

    You stated, “If you know so much, then why don’t you go get it?” Again, you don’t understand. Just because someone may have figured out some of the clues does not mean they have the final solution to the location. This has become a very trite statement on these blogs and is as offensive as saying, “You don’t understand,” IMO. Many sincere searchers have been turned off from the blogs by such statements. No wants to say they think they know where the chest is anymore. Don’t we still have free speech on these forums? If saying that upsets so many people they aren’t cut out for the competition of this search.

    I speak of things as pretty definite because that’s exactly how I think, based on all the clues and the many more hints/clues he has given the last few months. If this bothers you, so be it. If I’m wrong and I don’t find the chest, so be it. I’ve had fun.

    How do I know what everyone else does? I read the blogs.

    If you think there’s even a chance that Forrest walked the whole route of the clues in the poem then I think you need to read the poem a few more times. Did you even read the part about “…too far to walk”?

    Concerning Forrest driving then walking to hide the treasure, did you read my “I think” and “could have” phrases? If you think using common sense is being “a little naive”, so be it.

    The reason I’ve been vague and not more precise is because any more information could easily divulge my search area. But rest assured, I’m very confident in my solution, whether you understand my “thought process” or not. If I explained it all you would be “amazed” and “in awe,” as Forrest has said.

    Good luck in your searches. I don’t think we’ll be crossing paths out there.

    John

  18. No offense. No one upset. 🙂 Merely just a discussion on theories. And we all have many of them don’t we? I find it fascinating all the different ideas and personalities. It’s all fun to me!!

    Don’t be so sure we won’t cross paths. 🙂 Or is that your way of saying I will never find it? Nothing wrong with confidence. Gotta have it!! …..But there is a fine line between confidence and arrogance.

    My understanding is but a work in progress, developing and going through different stages of development all the time, according to what I currently know and what I’m presented with and my own trial and error. I want to be the ‘missing link’ in this evolution of the chase. 🙂 But right now, I don’t have all the answers. If I did, then we wouldn’t be talking. And you’re right, I probably don’t understand, …..and I probably never will. And that’s ok. But I’ll give it my best shot!! 🙂

    Good luck John

    Project Why

  19. Jenny,
    I like the thought but I think if HOB is also the hide spot then the searcher is presented with a chicken-egg type paradox. In other words, how do you follow the direction “Put in below…” if you have to know before hand where the treasure has been placed. IMO HOB must be describing an intermediate path feature.

    F has told us that we are looking at a “one foot after the other” solution. It appears to me that additional significant clues are presented in the poem after the HOB phrase so for your conjecture to be correct one would have to eventually travel in a loop or circle back to HOB after taking additional “steps”. If I’m not mistaken, he indicated in the Moby Dickens interview that a searcher will not loop back.

    Love your blog.

    Edgar

    1. Hi Edgar, first thank you. Please know I feel all of you make the blog all the more special.

      Plus, don’t take the following as me defending my thought or trying to persuade anyone to it….only offering clarification for the idea.

      I don’t think you would have to ‘know’ the HOB to put in below it. What my actual thought is that the poem line may be directing you to travel ‘up’ after you begin at WWWH, take the canyon down, not far but too far to walk…..(and not back up the canyon, but ‘up’ a side bank)

      The line ‘put in below the home of Brown’ may offer a bit of a hint to what you are looking for then…the HoB. (cave or something) and you need to now travel up to it (because you put in below it)….which in following the poem, where you choose to go ‘up’ is also no place for the meek (for whatever reason). This also works for ‘no paddle ‘up’ your creek’…

      I mentioned on my facebook page the following. I’m just going to copy and paste here (with some edits):

      In Forrest’s 17 dollars a square inch book he mentions the color brown as being forgotten/one of neglect. Forrest is confident no one is going to stumble upon his treasure by accident and he still plays with the idea of having his bones found with the treasure (if he can make the final journey). Could this ‘home’, be a ‘forgotten home’ (a brown home)… (like the mummy joe- but not that one)…..And then Brown is capped because it is the place of treasure.

      (and with the forgotten home- I sort of like the line after the poem of ‘two can keep a secret if one of them is dead’ to refer to a possible skeleton in a cave— )

      just ideas.

      Jenny Kile

  20. Dang Jenny, it’s like you were reading over one of my past theories or something. 🙂 I too thought the exact same thing after reading that book and the little passage about the color brown sure seemed to stick out to me like an aberration, …..if you will. And you know, I’ve tried everything you’ve said within my own search areas, but I guess either I missed it somehow or had the incorrect starting point? Heck, I’m probably not even in the right state!! Oh well, it’s been fun though. 🙂 I mean, it was only a theory and it seemed plausible. I’ve had many hypotheticals before, but no dice!! 🙂 Very elusive.

    But I like this theory and this has been a good discussion of it and I’m sure we will have more ideas and discussions. …..what else ya gonna do? Right. Heck, I have solves that put everything within the same stretch of a few miles or less to over twenty miles, with many different thoughts of what each perceived clue might be. Don’t we all?? For me, I can only keep my options open and if I find somewhere I believe is the correct starting point, then I will apply it again, …..but of course with some other ideas I also have, which I won’t mention here. 🙂 Can’t show too many cards, right? 🙂

    Sienna – Who knows?

    Project Why

  21. Hi Jenny,
    Yes, lots to think about as always. Clearly brown and it’s capitalization are important clues. Inevitably, the one clue that’s always the most wobbly in my solutions is HOB.

    Let me propose another thought that might dovetail somewhat with your point. Suppose that at WWWH you find yourself on a canyon rim with a steep cliff before you. In order to proceed, you need to be at the base of the cliff, but because you can’t directly go there it’s “not far (horizontally), but too far to walk (because it’s vertical)”. Therefore, you must find the access point (below the HOB) in order to “put in” to the canyon. The access point might appear intimidating (not for the meek) but actually be fairly safe. Once you gain access to the point below the cliff….something else happens.

    What do you think?

    Edgar

  22. I, like most, have given a lot of thought to HOB and it’s possible solution. However, I’ve recently come to the conclusion that one can not sweat having the perfect HOB. Depending on your definition of “Home”, it’s possible to have a very specific put in point, or a very generic and all encompassing one.

    Consider that “Home” could be an actual physical home or residence. This would be very specific and particularly handy if you knew the correct one, such as Ranger Brown’s house in YNP. Another suggested “Home” has been a cave for brown bats, not nearly as specific as the Ranger’s house, but still could start you in a smallish area, or possibly a particular cave. However, “Home” can also refer to a town, state, or even country for that matter.

    “Mr. Brown, is it?”.
    “Yes.” I replied.
    “Anything to declare?”
    “No.” I managed to strain out.
    “Where’s home?” the Norwegian passport officer asked as he looked over my travel papers. I stood nervously before him and glanced down at the bag of black market trolls and gnomes I was so sheepishly trying to smuggle home. “Arkansas…” I blurted out, almost spitting on the poor man as my palms began to sweat even more. Was that purple hair spilling out from my satchel? Had he seen it? What’s the fine for smuggling too many trolls across an international border? Is this even a crime? “Stay calm.” I repeatedly told myself.
    “I’m from Arkansas.” I quickly said again but with more composure & less saliva, trying to sound nonchalant & disinterested in the transaction. This seemed to satisfy him and I felt my breath resume as he reached for the passport stamp…and then….it happened, disaster!

    So you can see from my silly example, HOB in this case would in fact be Arkansas. It could just as easily be the entire state of Colorado if you’re referring to Molly Brown, or more specifically, Leadville, CO if you want to refer to her home town instead of a home state.

    I’m a firm believer in New Mexico as the state of interest, so my HOB is the entire state of CO & that makes it easy to put in anywhere in New Mexico ans satisfy that clue. Poof! Now, I only have to worry about eight. 🙂

    Clinger

    Clinger

  24. Thanks, Jenny and everyone, for the interesting discussion on HOB. I have a HOB that I like and after liking my HOB I find Forrest’s comments rather cute. I had to see the small version of the picture before seeing the big picture – chuckle. I watched Sherlock on Netflix recently. Sherlock mentioned the phrase, “The thrill of the chase,” in reference to his experience in solving mysteries/crimes. It reminds me that the thrill is figuring the problem without help – clues. I am glad I was unaware of many of the Internet sites before my searching. I enjoy discovering the clues without being lead by the hand with additional clues. I would like my solve to mean something and speak of my abilities. Thanks, Forrest, for being fun and yet vague in your responses to clue requests. Your responses are appreciated more as after the fact than helpful in the chase. Happy New Year to all. Do you, Forrest, have plans if the chest is retrieved in 2015? NB: peace does not really mean private.

    Kathryn

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  30. Possible Solution to F. F. Poem with a youtube showing the location
    As I have gone alone in there (#1 Glenwood Canyon) And with my treasures bold, I can keep my secret where, And hint of riches new and old.
    Begin it where warm waters halt (#2 Glenwood Springs)
    And take it in the canyon down, (#3 No Name Exit 119 on I 70 turn right and take road down to dead end)
    Not far, but too far to walk. (unless you can walk on water)
    Put in (#4 boat in Colorado River) below the home of Brown.(#5 Grizzly Creek Exit)
    From there it’s no place for the meek, The end is ever drawing nigh; (downstream about ¼ mile to youtube location) There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
    Just heavy loads (#6 trains go up stream) and water high. (#7 river rapids up stream)
    See youtube https://youtu.be/CIb5DqASJ0Q
    If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,(#8 Natural notch on canyon wall from a rock slide see youtube)
    Look quickly down, your quest to cease, (Interpretation TBD. Could be in river? along river bank? is not there anymore?)
    But tarry scant (#9 Tarry looking train tunnel entrance see photo) with marvel gaze,(#10 metaphor for canyon wall) Tar is small in perspective too…
    So why is it that I must go And leave my trove for all to seek? The answers I already know, I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.
    So hear me all and listen good,(#11 hazard warning) Your effort will be worth the cold.(#12 River water level too high and murky in summer. Best time to search is Winter)
    If you are brave and in the wood (#13 Glenwood Canyon) I give you title to the gold.
    Hunters,
    • If you decide to search this area please beware of the following:
    • There is a monument at this site that says “In memory of Bob Viehe 1918-1988, Bob devoted his life to saving the environment, Enjoy and help preserve its beauty”. I suggest doing a river cleanup as you search.
    • Homeless live along the river bank below the bike trail. Respect their space and don’t search there. You may find yourself digging through their crap.
    • The river bank is a railroad garbage dump full of scrap metals. If you search there make a scrap metal pile and maybe it can be salvaged.
    • Watch the USGS 09085100 to see current water conditions. http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv?cb_00060=on&cb_00065=on&format=gif_default&site_no=09085100&period=&begin_date=2015-07-17&end_date=2015-09-18

    No Name

  31. I have heard about this awhile ago but have just recently started putting a lot of thought into it. So we understand that we must begin where warm waters halt. Thus we must start at a point where warm water ceases and begins a path of cooler water. Take it in the canyon down which could represent one of two possibilities. Either we travel south or we travel down the canyon to a lower elevation point. Too far to walk, so we either run, or kayak, or climb in descent. Put in below the house of Brown. What I think is key here is that Brown is capitalized thus representing a figure or a name or an important particular. This is no place for the meek or the humble so it would be a skilled experienced journey. The end is drawing ever nigh or near so we are close just not yet there. The last part no paddle up your creek could refer to one last small place of water that need no paddle to get to but it could be dangerous since water high. Remember it is exposed to the elements and unlocked so it’s in an area that would suggest great placement to avoid spillover. Any thought critics?

    Dominick Zara

    1. That’s good news Jerry, keep quiet until spring/summer then spring into action when ready. I’m not sure about the buying back items etc…

      I’ve heard the brcelet is only worth 700$, as generous as he’s been u might just wanna hand him that but as far as buying Indulgance dunno maybe 800k….gold is way down.

      Kent

  33. Has anyone giving any thought to ff loving Indian artifacts that the house of Brown, could mean pueblo, they are often brown in color (Adobe). Also Tim Keller wrote home on the range also did some writing with ff. keller wrote an article about a family named brown, have been there since 1900 or so and still operates the cattle ranch today, and the Devoy ranch. they are real close to Folsom Falls, Folsom, New Mexico. All of these spots are off of 465, and intersect with the Cimarron river.
    FOREST FENN
    FOLSOM FALLs
    Anybody else looking in this area? I will never make it out there so I will share my information. Have more contact me. If it’s there and u find it because of me, please give a cut.

    Scott

  35. Finding the correct home of “Brown” is he key to solving the riddle. Where warm waters cease is just describing trout streams (see New Mexico fisheries) since he has already stated that the treasure is in the Rockies and above 5000 ft WWWC is not much of a clue. Obviously mention of rapids with “heavy loads and high waters”. Other clues can be interpreted many ways…but finding the home of Brown is the key… if it is “Brown” trout…this leaves such a myriad of solutions it would not be important as FF says it is..

    L.P.

  37. I believe the chest to be at Forrest’s environmentalist friend’s Ranch near Santa Fe. Funny thing is, there are only two people alive who know what that means. And the Brown clan? That unfortunate family just started a big fight in their neighborhood that is said to go down this weekend at Paul’s house.

    Iron Will

          1. To what I said… your way off LitterateOne. Forrest is the only other person alive who knows what that means. I only discovered it 3 weeks ago. I’m bursting at the seams to go get it. But in order for EVERYTHING I have planned to work out right….I have to bide my time.

            Iron Will

        2. Iron Will et All,

          There is a Jack Loeffler, Forrest Fenn connection if you dig deep enough, but I don’t believe it will help with locating the chest. Jack Loeffler was best friends with Edward Abbey, if you have some down time during the off-season it is worth researching “Cactus Ed” and read his book “Desert Solitaire”. There are many similarities to how Ed passing and to Forrest Fenn.

          LitterateOne

          Litterateone

          1. All,

            Enjoy this little snippet:

            Benedicto:

            “May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds.
            May your rivers flow without end, meandering through pastoral valleys tinkling with bells, past temples and castles and poets’ towers into a dark primeval forest where tigers belch and monkeys howl, through miasmal and mysterious swamps and down into a desert of red rock, blue mesas, domes and pinnacles and grottos of endless stone, and down again into a deep vast ancient unknown chasm where bars of sunlight blaze on profiled cliffs, where deer walk across the white sand beaches, where storms come and go as lightning clangs upon the high crags, where something strange and more beautiful and more full of wonder than your deepest dreams waits for you — beyond that next turning of the canyon walls.”

            -Edward Abbey

            Another great read, about Edward Abbey’s burial;

            http://www.azcentral.com/story/news…4/17/edward-abbey-last-act-defiance/25930091/

            How one cannot admire how this man lived, died and the ones whom held his company is beyond me.

            LitterateOne

            Litterateone

  39. He said that the treasure isn’t near/under any sort of structure (assuming he meant man-made structures). Maybe the house of Brown isn’t a house. Maybe its a ‘home’ for a Brown. Like a place where a Brown may have always been around.

    Mady

    1. evidence of this fact is the axeman drawing in TTOTC. the axeman has cut down trees. where did they go? they were used to build the Byrd naturalist cabin. see the bird at home in the nest in the moon? Byrd home of Brown. Brown is capitalized to denote proper name- Byrd. brown is the color of any log cabin. why in the moon? because the light levels at the museum are kept low to preserve artifacts. this is the reason so many drawings in TTOTC are at night. museum light levels. moonlight. …and then of course we get this comment from Forrest- “if i told you that (home of Brown) you’d go right to it.”… which happens to be very true.

      bob greene

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