Dear Forrest Fenn: After reading your last question and answer from Randy L. And not knowing whether or not the blaze may be something that existed before you hid the treasure or something you may have created, I’m wondering if you had considered leaving something near the chest to reassure searchers of there findings.
Sincerely. Eugene
No Eugene, I did not consider doing that. f
Best of luck with all that you seek! Always Treasure the Adventure!
Eh… hmm… er… either the blaze is not near the treasure chest, or said blaze is not something left by Forrest?
EU gene may have posed an awkward question with the misspelling of “their.” Did F take advantage of the error to dissemble? Possibly…
IDEAs:
B-L-A-Z-E is self evident inside the poem.
-Misspelled “there”…take note of the “heir”
-Eugene is a common feminine or masculine given name that comes from the Greek εὐγενής (eugenēs), literally
“well-born”
NOTE many “Wells” in ff’s Memoirs.
I did not “consider” doing that.
v. To think about seriously.
v. To think of doing.
v. To assign some quality to.
v. To look at attentively.
v. To take up as an example.
v. To debate or dispose of a motion.
-THAT =2+8+1+2 = 13 /Jesuit treasure symbol
@antigroove – I think Forrest Fenn, who has written at length about his view that grammatical rules don’t matter, so long as you get what the author is saying, wouldn’t focus on typos like “there” instead of “their”. If he does apply a double standard like that, anything goes.
You can’t acquire the right word with an i…
I believe it matters and also hints at something significant. He probably had to dig through his emails to provide this particular wordage for the one doing most of the work, in his opinion. If he found someone whose efforts are worthy of assistance, I don’t see a problem with him providing extra for the one who understands his language.
Fallingrock, I agree with you. Are you able to elaborate on the “something significant?” I’m not sure what FF is hinting at.
I feel like Forrest Fenn is Thanos, wiping out half of everyone’s solves with a snap of the finger. 🙂
No objects. There goes my Magpie sipping a Dr Pepper while waving a flag theory. I’m confused…is the blaze natural then?
Crap. Solve Re-work #14 in motion.
Not necessarily. I broke it out thusly:
“I’m wondering [conditional] if you had [1] considered [2] leaving something [3] near the chest to [4] reassure searchers of there [5] findings.”
1) “considered” – Maybe he didn’t consider it. Maybe he just did it.
2) “leaving” – Maybe he didn’t leave anything. Maybe it’s a found, or pre-existing object. A found object is more likely to be a natural object, but not necessarily so. Example that comes to mind is a petroglyph.
3) “near” – Subjective term. How deep is a hole?
4) “reassure” – Speaks to purpose. There could be any number of purposes for a blaze. Also, I don’t really like this word. Searchers are such an insecure lot of people, always needing ‘reassurance’. I don’t think Forrest pictured a bunch of needy searchers when he wrote the poem 🙂
5) “findings” – Assuming ‘the blaze’ is meant to ‘reassure’ searchers, it doesn’t necessarily need to be of their ‘findings’. It could be to reassure them of something else (no examples come to mind, just saying this is an assumption).
Thanks Jeremy! You’re one smart cookie.
thanks f
I think he left the chest, to reassure searchers of their findings 🙂
Ha.
Oh! This is funny! I get it. If you find the chest, you know you are on right track.
Lol!
You are quick, Randy Liu.
Thanks Forrest, Eugene and Jenny!
I don’t think it would be necessary for the finder to have reassrance of anything to know of their findings! I think they would know fully with confidence! I also think men are so smart and glen from australia are wrong and plenty of fabrication has and is taking place.
LOL! I think you are so correct… who named their blog., Surely not their wives…or did the wives name it as a joke.
Ha-ha. Nothing to consider here.
Does this mean I am famous now? I don’t know how this happens.
I believe you are sir.
It almost seems as though somebody was close this last week. Almost.
why do you say that fallingrock
The message he conveys here seems to be in line with a thread(since deleted) posted on HOR earlier this week. Idk. If so, we don’t have much time.
HOR?
B
No Eugene, I did not consider doing that. f
There is the that again. As elusive at the it. No need to consider what’s already been decided.
So, how far from this sumthing is the chest? Or do you need the sum of the thing to know?
Forrest, I love you, you crafty ole genius! Keep us all treading water! Thank you jenny, Eugene and Mr Forrest Fenn Treasure man!
(Yes, Randy L, you are famous!) 🙂
“That” is very considerate of you Forrest “that” you did not consider “It”. 🙂 Thank you for the question Jenny, Eugene and Forrest… And hi to you JDiggins miss you 🙂
Miss you too spallies! 🙂
I like that… he doesn’t have to consider something already decided. But then again maybe he wants to throw us off. Who knows?!
Back to the poem…
In other news I noticed Highway 1 from Big Sur to Carmel along the coast just opened today. That looks like quite an achievement. And they finished earlier than expected! I’ve got a trip planned to Big Sur this summer and may just go all the way through.
My read as well. To put it another way: I don’t consider eating, I consider what to eat.
Had he considered someone would actually solve his poem and force his favored units out of the chase completely? It almost seems as though his gut feeling has turned into a form of desperation.
“Favorite units?” I think I take the meaning of the rest of your post, but I don’t know what you mean by those words.
Are you taking chess?
It’s a real stallion of a piece. I don’t want to offend anyone by sharing my observations entirely. Somehow the tenement led me to guinazui which led me to the good man on the bluff. Idk man…
I was never any good at chest. I had to play in math class. Until a parent complained about the curriculum.
I believe based upon the poem’s content, that one could solve major components and scare the cr@p out of ff because someone finally knows his deepest secrets, and still not obtain the chest of gold. Folks don’t do their due diligence to understand his poem is a concerted tell-all where ff vets his unknown secrets for all to see. IMHO, he should be worried about how THAT may affect his dear family. Things they were not a part of, and should not be held accountable to give answer for.
I think it’s about him thanking his lucky stars and giving something back. No deep, dark secrets.
While you’re jumping at shadows be sure you are keeping your own.
Randy–Do you want to be famous?? If you want to be famous ! YOU ARE.
All,
Then it may be safe to infer, by Forrest’s answer, that he may not have left a mark there.
Seannm
Do you recall? ff answered a question and I am paraphrasing it “did you Mark the treasure with something?” And he said “YES” “I marked it with a dirty aluminum marker” I don’t recall where it was said.
Hmmmm…interesante…do you have a reference on that?
I just remember that he said somewhere
I’ve never run across a reference about marking the chest with an aluminum marker, but in a response to “Do you remember”, his response was “If you know it was mine then it must have my lead seal attached someplace”. https://mysteriouswritings.com/featured-question-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase-treasure-hunt-do-you-remember/
Probably because the mark was already made. A mark in a valley of marks.
Hello, Fallingrock.
A mark…in a valley of marks…
Mark 4:22 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.
Where the meanest flower blows…very near to the chest…
“Thanks to the human heart by which we live,
Thanks to its tenderness, its joys, and fears,
To me the meanest flower that blows can give
Thoughts that do often lie too deep for tears.” – William Wordsworth
And Thanks to Jenny and Forrest…and Eugene.
Idk, kinda sounds like he saying there is nothing left to find, but the chest
Synopsis: blaze is not man-made (honestly folks, we already knew that), and there is no need for Forrest to leave/create/mark anything near the blaze: that would be counterproductively redundant. You either solve the blaze from the poem, or you don’t. My takeaway: the treasure hasn’t been found yet because no one so far has solved the blaze. Until quite recently… 😉
why do you htink it been solved quite recently? did i miss something?
Considering it’s not been found after all these years I’d say we’re all missing something. Of course my wife still thinks I’m missing most of my marbles.
All kidding aside I believe until someone is able to truly figure out all 9 clues and know how to return to the beginning from the end it’s going to remain hidden. So how do you get back to WWWH? When someone does all that my guess is they will find the Xth clue and the treasure.
According to Forrest it hasn’t been found. I trust he will tell us when that changes.
My conclusion is that it has now been 100% solved and this let’s that person/s know they were very close recently. I haven’t known f to use close to the chest yet…
I have the same “gut” feeling. I consider “f” the 9th word in each of the last two Q & As.
Hear me all: “No Randy, my mind doesn’t work like that”. f
and
Listen good: “No Eugene, I did not consider doing that.”. f
Forrest did not consider leaving something near the chest for the searchers, but the “…one hunter…” may have.
🙂
Innohurry, thanks. Your post drew my attention to Q & “A’s”
Perhaps “As I have gone alone in there,” can also be interpreted
A’s – I have gone Al-one in there.
I believe my poem research has uncovered that Forrest was part of an organization known for A
Or “All one” in disguise that resembled an A. It may be more important than uncovering his gold.
His third memoir hints about this in the chapter where ff spends the weekend with the Proctor clan, and plays church Bingo.
Fallingrock,
Please help us understand…
How did Forrest use “close to the chest?”
Eugene used that language, not ff.
Eugene actually used “near the chest”…
If you know what I mean, what’s the problem?
DM,
An insightful post, IMO. I believe Forrest’s misquote of T. S. Eliot’s ‘Little Gidding’ is important, and the correlation I’m able to make between F’s misquote and the poem/solve seems to coincide conceptually with one of your statements. What comes to my mind is this question: Is the end the beginning in reverse?
Just a thought.
Joe
A bit of folly exists in my previous comment, so I’ll add another (so-called) “thought.”
Perspective is always important. When does a “canyon down” become a “canyon up?”
Joe
Careful – “That” = “leaving something near the chest” is not the same “that” = “leaving something near the chest to reassure searchers of there findings.” He still could have left something with another intention, IMHO… this one is slippery and leaves plenty of wiggle room in its specificity.
i need a new hobby.
Lol Dumbfounded! This is not the sort of thing I would ever consider doing for a hobby myself…to me, it’s an extraordinary job that I love very much…just still waiting on that first paycheck though…and my biggest bonus will be meeting Forrest face to face…and I believe I will do just that.
the chase will be a fond memory
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OGDkg3QiJmk
Eugene is a common feminine or masculine given name that comes from the Greek εὐγενής (eugenēs), “noble”, literally “well-born”, from εὖ (eu), “well” and γένος (genos), “race, stock, kin”. Gene is a common shortened form.
Haha! I love It! Thank you!
Well, dwell, urban dweller, feller, forrest…Thats it! Tree tellers! Haha, don’t mind me; this is what hours of reading Happy Thoth and Iceman did to me, lol! Goodnight all! My hat is tipped to you Jenny! I don’t know how just yet, but soon I will be off again like a dirty shirt! Goodnight f.
tree fellers not tree tellers, damnedable autocorrect!
The blaze is just a peace of the puzzle
Lots of things to consider????
Probably
But I am not sure what.
Yes! That makes me so happy. Now all I need to do is find the treasure (as if). Does anyone else wonder if it’s possible Forrest didn’t consider doing that, so much as plan doing that?
How in the heck does THAT make 13 and then THAT equals treasure??
Genuinely wondering about that, 13, and treasure. I could learn something.
The 13th letter is M for Minerva.
Also 13 looks like a B.
Do some research once in a while.
And an upside down M is a W.
If you rotate a B to 90° it looks like an owl.
Who?
Sorry I had to
Here is a creative, well researched idea for consideration…
Map the OW’s in the poem.
Find Yell “OW” along the Madison River bench/BANCO where ff owned a fishing “pad” at LE on the horn of the Madison River. Great place for a sandwich on the State if MT public easement. **By the way “CHASE” is defined as a private game preserve.** the thrill of the “chase” is likely locating the correct conservation easement that Forrest donated.
Look at OO, 8th letters, meanings of B’s
In the poem, Consider A-nt = A knight
Forrest said he would roll a log over and look at the Ants. That’s a loaded statement which has nothing to do with insects.
Taken from a blog a while back, sorry can’t remember which, I googled it…
“Some of you have no doubt located the “W” monument at your site. The W is nothing more that an upside-down “M”.
The M is a symbol of the owl (owl of Minerva).
When locating a W, remember that the W has a numerical value of 23. The 23 translates back to the letters “B” and “C”.
The B, as I stated before, is a “closed up” 13, which is another symbol of the owl. We have two indicators for the owl, so we know that we will locate a treasure room at the end of the trail.
The “C” is the Roman Numeral for “100.” Put all of this info together and you get, “From this “W” go 1300 feet to the treasure room location.” Which direction do you go? There will be signs there, at the “W,” telling you which direction to go.”
Jdiggins, have you geographically located your WM?
I found one close to Santa Fe and another further north
Interesting Anna. You found two?
JDiggins-this was very wonderful of you to share. I too have found an M. With all these MW’s flying around, one of us must be getting warmer.
Thanks again-very kind of you. You’re a smart lady.
Thx guys. And, while I appreciate the compliments, I cannot take credit for these findings. The information was posted by another searcher and I merely researched it a bit further out of interest. 🙂
I agree with Copper, Jdiggins. You are smart and kind.
But it’s more complicated than that.
The W, mirrored to an M, is a mountain. This isn’t helping anyone because of the “canyon down” business.
But my point is that your 1,300 feet is an elevation measure, because we’re talking mountains here.
And thank you so much for the 13 and B stuff, related to known treasure mapping. I didn’t know that but it fits right into some of my solutions. As well, it fits in to this particular subject too.
Mike W, because of the Spanish references in the poem and “Terces” = secret backwards and the B’s in poem…it’s worth your time to research the basics of Jesuit treasure symbols. 13 & B often refer to treasure.
John Wayne was an avid treasure searcher and wrote a book on finding Spanish treasure in the United States, particularly around New Mexico territories where the Spaniards ruled the gold mines.
There is some really smart people in this Chase. JW was a friend of Kenworthy’s and also involved in some off-shore treasure hunting. Stade you always have good posts. I own all of his book(let)s and some copies of a few of his notes. One of these days when this hunt is all wrapped-up I want to consolidate all the stuff I have and pass them to someone that has similar likes…drop me a line sometime.
TTR, thanks. Where can I drop you a line?
Mike W, If you’re interested in Spanish treasure symbols. Kenworthy has some excellent books. This side is also very helpful to get started: http://www.ancientlosttreasures.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=13769
Well THAT, got my synapses firing… I don’t know if it’s a good thing or not! Very interesting rabbit hole, thank you.
As some have alluded, Forrest may see a bit of wiggle room in the question and though he appears to be wiggling, I wonder if he’s still wavering! Regardless, the normal July/August heat, crowded highways and byways, road construction projects, and local tourist activity combine to dampen my enthusiasm for a seach. So, I wait and can only hope the chest is not found before September. Though even if it is, I’m thinking that for no reason other than just because, I’ll still make the trip once the weather cools and typical summer activity is on the decline.
Thank you, Forrest, Jenny, and Eugene, and good luck to all searchers – be informed and keep safety your #1 priority! The most important step is always . . . the next one.
Joe
“No Randy, my mind doesn’t work like that”. f
“No Eugene, I did not consider doing that.”. f
Take away: both sentences structured the same, with (8) words each. The first sentence uses a contraction (doesn’t = does not)—-the second sentence does not: (did not instead of didn’t)
Both sentences basically say the same essential thing. However the first sentence speaks of “my mind” and the second sentence speaks of “I”, who “did not consider”. “As my mind has gone alone in there” ?
Or possibly, Forrest is just saying he is inconsiderate. (just kidding).
2 similarly structured sentences both with 8 words. I owe you more than a few gold nuggets, Sparrow. I quit counting words at 166. You better hold me to my word. If I find it, we are all going to be winners!
He didn’t consider that Bcause he left the Blaze instead. Like I said, already planned. Now, what if we find the B/13. Then what?
Oh yeah, look quickly down. Easy peasy, why didn’t I think of THAT?!
Foreigners Surrendered to Savages
How would I find this in there?
Forrest, if you were to consider leaving something by the treasure what would that something be?
At one point — his lifeless body.
Lol, true aardvarkvark you got me there… now it seems like a stupid question…
Here’s a different question. What hat do you think he would be wearing?
Which hat? Easy…the blow-out hat with bobwire! 🤠
Mildew? “You will find no mildew in the treasure chest. f” I always thought that this statement was referring to “your effort will be worth the cold” and that is why there would be no mildew. Mildew doesn’t grow in a cold environment. But maybe he is saying his hat would not be in the chest but nearby or on top…
Not his hat, Indulgences hat.
Could be… So what would indulgences hat look like? Maybe it’s a big ten gallon hat like a water tower or something…? Aren’t some of the old ones made of wood? Drawing nigh??? What side of the tracks did trains typically get water from? I guess I better go google and see….
Near my location, there is what appears to be an ancient body (human or animal…not sure) tucked in a crevice about halway up a 1000 ft karst.
I often sit and look at the figure and imagine what its life was like.
I’m on a ladder with my solve. I’ve climbed up and down the ladder too many times to recount. The only thing missing is the chest it seems.
Wow, pretty cool Twingem! Would live to see a photo.
Thanks Eugene, Jenny and Forrest Fenn.
WoodyBogg, are you around Somers? I’m staying on the lake with family. Do you have any interest in meeting to discuss solutions?
Anna
Annabloom- I hope you are enjoying the Flathead Lake.! Yes the house site and property are Somers ! I was there today and am in bigfork! I have a project @ Yellow bay. I have to go to a meeting @ 10,00 am monday @ the county commissioners monday! I would very much like to meet you to discuss treasure hunting topics . Thank you,, Flathead cherry festivals is happening @ polson tomorrow Sunday. Are you here for awhile?
Woody, thanks for responding. We visit my family on Flathead each summer and I recalled you mentioning living in Somers. Unfortunately I’m only here a few days for a family reunion this time. Next trip lets coordinate time to talk about solutions. In the past I’ve searched southern Montana, Wyoming, and New Mexico . Always enjoy fellow Montanans!
Anna- I really wanted to meet you and say Hi this go around. I think Forrest’s gut feeling is spot on. I hope your enjoying your family. I am the last male living and I don’t have much family. Only 1 daughter and haven’t seen her in over five years. You have a wonderful day and god speed , Treasure the Adventure.
Woody, I would enjoy meeting you as well!! No one in my family is still excited with me or for me to be treasure hunting. My husband and 2 grown sons gave up on tttoc treasure hunting after I led them on several failed recovery attempts – all in the Spanish peaks -Blaze Mountain area south of Bozeman. They come to Flathead to boat, fly fish, and golf. For me it’s family first, but I might be free on Tuesday afternoon for coffee in Bigfork.
Ok sounds good!
WoodyBogg, God speed to you too!
My vacation has been altered…I’m leaving Flathead lake earlier than expected to be with a family member for surgery.
If the treasure isn’t found this summer, I connect with you next time I’m at the lake. Blessings to you. Have a terrific summer.
I had this great comment about how the chest could have been sealed with wax to keep out mildew (Kit Williams did this for Masquerade) though it would have been problematical to do onsite. But then my thoughts all vanished. I wonder if Cicero ever lost any of his comments due to problems and reloads?
Also- if he says he didn’t place anything near the chest, then he didn’t, and the ramifications of this have to be faced squarely by any honest searcher-
Well now – Didn’t place anything near the chest ! ( Question) Near = Close, nearby, Does placing something on it , or in the wood qualify as near? I would say —NO
This post was a blow to my solve. I tried to parse it to favor that solve. But you can’t place anything closer than on.
Maybe considered is the key word . Joy, Joy, The play of words and the true meaning!
“Considered” >>Con-side-red >>
against-red-side
I do think ff parses words out like this..
But, all that would tell you is it that ff said, no Eugene, I did not place it on the red side.
Hello, Stade.
““Considered” >>Con-side-red >>
against-red-side”
Like zapping flies on the wall of the barn. lol!
How inconsiderate…if you’re asking the fly on the wall…I reckon.
But I’ll bet their’s a cheering section…sonewhere.
JC1117…🤣 LOL
your instant recall of FF stories is uncanny; makes me think you were a fly on that wall…The one fly that Skippys gun didn’t ZAP.
Far side fly humor…
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1018&pid=799838
I love The Far Side, Stade.
I like how Gary Larson’s mind works…or doesn’t work. LOL! I suppose it depends on who you’re askin’. 🙂
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/401594491768098087/
“No Eugene,…”
No E
North East…
The cows have come home. + contact
I don’t know why I find your post so amusing fallingrock. But thanks for the chuckle.
Fallingrock, what does that mean.. “The cows have come home?” Speaking of cows, I just found Bessie! I am late in the game I think. Bessie has a friend too.
?
I just meant that I found a drawing of Bessie like in Mr. Fenn’s book!
Strangely enough when I stare at it long enough it looks just like the wolf in the price of freedom chapter of Mr. Fenn’s book.
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Are you anagramming???
Thank you so much F orrest and Jenny for all the work you do to make this fun for so many! Oh and thank you so much EUgene and all who comment here! Be safe all and have a great new week! Jaime RP
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Bombardier Brad
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During WW2 Hitler thought Kilroy was real, was a spy somewhere in the German Reich, and invested Tens of Thousands of Gestapo Hours looking for him ..
Just a little levity in this blistering hot summer ..
Brad
Thank you for the “Featured Question,” Jenny, Eugene, and Mr. Fenn.
Consider is to dream.
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