Dear Forrest,
In Scrapbook 49 ( Sweet Fragrances) you talked about many different spices. In your book, The Thrill of the Chase, you mention the taste of porcupine. I was wondering…..which spice do you think would be best used on porcupine so it doesn’t taste so much like kerosene. ~ j
Jenny,
No spice can soften that taste. Forest wisdom during the mountain man era was don’t kill the porcupine if you have anything else to eat. Save him for when you’re starving. The poor animal, whose face has no flattering angles, walks with a slow waddle, which makes him easy to catch.
In the Rocky Mountains Porky spends a lot of time eating most parts of a pine tree, including needles, cones, and bark. His meat tastes like what he eats. I ate one once, and if I had to choose between doing it again, and collapsing of malnourishment, I’d have to think about it for a while. f
Thanks Forrest…lol….It tastes that bad?? You have me wanting to taste it just to know how bad something can be!
I am curious as to how bad it taste too Jenny… But I am pretty sure if it’s that bad I would spit it out real fast…. Maybe I don’t need to know… I think I will take Forrests word on this one…:)
I think that is great advice and the best option, Spallies……will just trust Forrest on this one!
I would try it… if I had to. 🙂
Missed this segment! Thanks Jenny, and thanks Forrest!!!
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I don’t know why, but I think I know what it would taste like. I think I would bypass the middleman and eat the pine needles.
Thanks for the question Jenny and the answer Forrest.
Jenny – When I read about what Osborne Russell said about porcupines,…I wondered if Forrest’s taster was off. And I think they are really cute,…from this angle:
http://www.country-magazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/babies-7.jpg
And I guess they are really smart, too:
http://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/PorcupineHuntsBuffalo-Ute.html
Jenny – What Osborne Russell wrote about the porcupine (he was probably referring to the Blackfeet Indians):
https://books.google.com/books?id=yv7o0QpYYBYC&pg=PA131&lpg=PA131&dq=osborne+russell+porcupine&source=bl&ots=jn4rcqczHx&sig=iKfjtk8RSUUd_pQPqY_dUb4a-8Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=a7fsVI_4KsL0oAS3o4G4Dg&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=osborne%20russell%20porcupine&f=false
Jenny – And why did that Ute Indian porcupine story remind me of one of Forrest’s bronze jars?:
http://dalneitzel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/IMG_0899s.jpg
Jenny – Forgot that pictures from Dal’s don’t post elsewhere:
http://dalneitzel.com/2014/10/18/scrapbook-ninety-seven/
Jenny – And it looks like pirateofgold is reading this post on your blog,…because now he is headed to New Mexico, too:
http://dalneitzel.com/2014/11/08/architecture-of-the-poem/#comment-76503
I am sure it was also because of the relationship between porcupines and pinion nuts:
http://www.desertusa.com/flora/pinyon-pine.html
Other wildlife that compete for this nutritious food source are black bears, mule deer, woodrats, pinyon mice, ground squirrels, chipmunks, and porcupines, although the latter prefers the inner bark of the pinyon tree over the pinyon nuts.
Jenny – But based on this,…from that same link,…you may want to send pirateofgold to this forest North of Santa Fe,…in Colorado,…instead (since I still can’t post at Dal’s):
A testament to the growing power of the pinyon can be found in an isolated grove in Owl Creek Canyon near Ft. Collins, Colorado. The nearest tree is miles away; these pines owe their existence to a cache of nuts left by Native Americans some 400 years ago.
Owl Creek Canyon,…a “wise” blaze for sure ! 🙂
Pine bark especially some species such as the Pinus Pinaster (French Maritime Pine Bark) Is an amazing antioxidant… Makes me wonder if this is why the porcupine eats the pine???
I’m wondering if it doesn’t have something to do with the old Pogo comic strip, with PorkyPine as one of the lead characters?
spallies – Another interesting porcupine fact,…that is perhaps related to that:
The porcupine is the only native North American mammal with antibiotics in its skin. Those antibiotics prevent infection when a porcupine falls out of a tree and is stuck with its own quills upon hitting the ground. Porcupines fall out of trees fairly often because they are highly tempted by the tender buds and twigs at the ends of the branches.
Hi E*! You’ve been busy…..I need some time to catch up to you! :)…. Thanks for your sharing though,…I will look into it all more later.
A Great Man I love once said, “Consider the lilies…”. I reason that He could just as easily have said, “Ponder the porcupines…” because He loves them all.
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I’m thing about passing on breakfast this morning. On my traffic-weary commutes to work, I often listen to book-on-CD, and am currently listening to “The Bone Season” (Samanatha Shannon) – a group of captured humans has learned to eat whatever they must, to survive. The tastes are sometimes described.
“In the Rocky Mountains Porky” looks like it contains some codes, caps PRIM being one of them.
Porcupines Oh My! My dog, Aspen had a unfortunate lunch time meeting with a porcupine once. I say “once” because he is smart. With three quills in his face it could have been worse. We heard that if you cut the tips off before pulling out the quills – it lets the air out and they come out easier. I don’t think anything about it was easy.
Before we chased that critter out of our forest, with air guns and over to our neighbors (we were in a water war with them) – he had already eaten the tops off of three of our pine trees – killing them. Destructive little guys they are – maybe that’s why they taste so rotten.
Maybe,somewhere along the path to the treasure there will be more dead “pine” trees – just a guess.
Watching porcupine quills be removed from my dog Thor’s nose was curiosity enough for us both. If a reference to the Pogo comic strip on human nature – Wickipedia info: Pogo combined both sophisticated wit and slapstick physical comedy in a heady mix of allegory, Irish poetry, literary whimsy, puns and wordplay, lushly detailed artwork and broad burlesque humor. Sounds like a Forrest fit or fitting for Forrest.
Forrest, Hopefully, if you are in this situation again, while you are thinking about what you want to do something a little more palatable will walk by.
I’m curious how you would go about field dressing one? It seems like a job all around for very little in return if they don’t taste good. I hunt and pretty much everything has a game taste to it 🙂
How do porcupines make love? Very carefully! Seriously? Eat one of those when so many other, better tasting critters are so easy to catch? Once I taught my sons how to grapple for catfish in the Lower Pecos River near Carlsbad Caverns NM, soon they were breaking the law grappling for trout where cold waters begin, that was an unintended consequence of trying to teach your kids survival skills. While in the Amphibious Navy during Vietnam, nothing was beyond eating if you had to survive so maybe Forrest survival training started before the Air Force? What have you eaten in a pinch to survive? Rattlesnake taste like Chick fil A.
Tom T
The worst I ever had was living on half a jar of peanut butter and tap water for a couple of weeks.
In my area they have those hunter’s feeds (there’s a name for it but I can’t think of it right now) where you can eat all sorts of things, and I have. Raccoon, opossum, etc.
And I was a salesman in my younger days and called on this one tavern in a “hole in the wall” area where the old couple that owned it seemed to really take a shine to me. They were such a friendly sort that people filled their place every evening. They used to give me “mystery meat” almost every week when I called on them. There was some unusual stuff in that fare. It’s funny how people give more appealing names to things, like “mountain oysters”.
Hello Buckeye Bob. The mountain oysters are considered a delicacy. There’s a place in Colorado that serves them. It’s a ritzy place in Morrison, I think. Can’t think of the name of the place right now, but they also have other specialty/wild fares there, too. Just remembered the place! It’s called “The Fort” restaurant. You can go online and check for yourself. 🙂
Thanks, pdenver.
http://thefort.com/
I bookmarked it and hope to get there some day.
I had buffalo burgers at the Ohio State Fair once. Quite the tasty thing, and healthier than beef I hear.
That’s an impressive menu. That Game Plate looks interesting for sure.
It’s times like this I wish I could afford to travel to a city and spend a month there to really delve into things like this. 😀
Hello Buckeye Bob. The family likes to go to Yellowstone for the buffalo burgers. My family are hunters and know wild game is very lean and quite healthier than regular beef. It would be nice to travel to different states and see what their cuisine is all about. 🙂
There’s a not o ritzy one in Severance Colorado, Bruce’s Bar and Grill. I haven’t been there for a few years but on Friday and Saturday night you can do a little boot scootin boggie with your dinner. A real redneck kinda place.
Hello JL. Thank you for letting me know of this place. I’ll let the family know. 🙂
PS I just read about ff not being as active in the “Thrill” and knowing how much he loves the “Chase” I doubt he will be able to keep away from the it, he is only going on a long needed sabbatical, since it has been 6 long years since he stashed Indulgence, somewhere near the place where cold water live and the wild bees swarm.
Tom Terrific, as in enthusiastic about the TTOC
Now that created a savory aroma of fresh caught trout cooked over an open fire with honey glaze, oh life doesn’t get any better than that. Forrest may never come back from that sabbatical.
Nor do I. 🙂
Roasted Hatch chiles?
Hello 23kachinas. I think I’ve read you’re from New Mexico. Do they serve wild game with chiles there? My family hunts all sorts of wild game, and they bring home what they get and I cook it up and serve it to them and store the rest in the freezer. I’ve tried a couple things, but I’m not fond of it. My husband and sons went to one of our favorite lakes and caught some fish. Have to cook them up. Usually I add some margarine, lemon slices and seasonings. Never heard of honey on it, but I may have to try it for the family. These guys talking about mountain oysters reminded me when I was in my teens and a friend of the family told us what they were. I couldn’t believe it! I knew of a place that served them, and for the life of me, I couldn’t remember the name. I had to call my husband to ask and he told me. I give my husband the credit for remembering. I certainly couldn’t. I don’t know if it’s just a Colorado delicacy or not. I only know they serve them here. I know they won’t be found on my plate. That’s for darn sure.