Weekly Words From Forrest: March 11th, 2016

treasure chest Forrest FennThe complete list of Weekly Words can be found here:

Weekly Words with Forrest Fenn

Weekly Words for March 11th, 2016 are as follows:

*The chest weighs 42 pounds plus, best to have gloves


Best of luck with The Thrill of the Chase and all that you seek!


Other Links of Interest:

The Nine Clues in Forrest Fenn’s Poem

The Jefferson War Nickel: Treasure in Pocket Change

Magic Squares and Benjamin Franklin



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118 Responses

  1. pdenver says:

    Thank you for today’s Weekly Words, Jenny and Mr. Fenn. You are so generous with your advice, Mr. Fenn. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Chris says:

      Like the HOD Head’s out Display (military aviation acronym) and the Ifs (the Utube Video) he always has great advise. Thanks Forrest

      • justnow says:

        Saw this, (news interview) about ff and it blew my mind!!!!!!!! I now think I’m in “The outer Limits”
        *in back ground*
        We are in control of your sound
        We are in control of your picture
        We are in control of your MIND?
        and NO WHERE!?
        I love it ; )

  2. astree says:

    Thanks Forrest and Jenny. 42 characters / digits again. (kirk iki ) ๐Ÿ™‚

  3. Wendy Jo says:

    Hmm. That makes me think that the chest is probably not in water.

  4. JL says:

    Well, Mr. F I am happy to receive an easy one after last weeks. It has taken all last week to come to a conclusion, but I have reached a logical one. This week seems much easier with only two possibilities, it is going to be a bit of a job or I need the gloves to keep my hands warm. I learned a long time ago to never leave home without a jacket, extra pair of socks and gloves. Thanks, for the advice.

    • M.L. Malcolm says:

      Don’t ever forget the duct tape, either.

      • JL says:

        M.L., yes duct tape is a necessity, I keep a roll in the P.U. at all times. Along with a saw, knife, hatchet, shovel, emergency tool kit, extra food and water. That is why I need a P.U. I would get better fuel mileage if could learn to do without all the necessities

  5. Diggin gypsy says:

    Yes sir ole coot ๐Ÿ™‚ there holy gloves but they’ll work

  6. MS Girl says:

    Well, maybe there are cacti involved or a cold ice cave location!! Great clue Mr. F. Come on now give us a clue like where is HOB? Still in the chase and waiting for Spring!!! See you all in the funny papers

  7. Dover says:

    Interesting confession. Is there some peanuts in the treasure?

  8. Mark J says:

    Always keep a pair handy. Never know when you will need them, and for something other than lifting a chest.

  9. Jeremy P. says:

    Finally, plain English!

    “plus”, “gloves”, it’s under a rock.

    Nailed it. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Friend says:

      That would be great news, no digging! How did you come up with that conclusion from “plus” and “gloves”?

      • Jeremy P. says:

        You’ll have to forgive me. I’m only half joking. The other half is trying to “guess better”. So you should take what I say with a grain of salt because it’s just guessing.

        That said, here’s how it goes:

        This isn’t a statement about the weight of the chest, or it’s contents.

        Many of these weekly words are in pairs. The last one, before the HOD interruption, was about two trips. The chest doesn’t weigh 42 lbs. It weighs around 20. That’s the weight Forrest carried when he carried the chest in one of those trips.

        The statement is partly about weight, but not about the chest.

        The other part of the statement is about gloves. This is a statement about under what conditions you might use gloves for. So let’s guess…

        Carrying the chest doesn’t require gloves. It’s smooth, and you’d probably toss it in a bag anyway. Same with the contents. You don’t need gloves for any of that.

        Because it’s also about weight, this isn’t a statement about how hot or cold the chest is.

        Weight and gloves.

        You might want gloves to remove something that is on top of the chest.

        42 lbs *plus* whatever is top of it.

        But not just anything on top of it. We can guess better.

        This is a statement partly about gloves and partly about weight. The gloves are suggested because of the weight. Shovels and trowels aren’t weight related. Digging with your hands isn’t weight related. None of that is hinted at. It’s weight and gloves. Branches, small stones, not much weight, and those can be kicked to the side or pushed with your walking stick. Logs are rolled. Etcetera.

        Nope. If we had to hazard a guess, the money is on the large rock that would be best moved wearing gloves.

        Again, we’re just guessing.

        • Jeremy P. says:

          I should add that specifically “under a rock” is a wild guess, but “under weight that requires gloves to remove” would be very probable from this statement.

          You don’t need gloves to carry the chest, and I believe that Forrest himself said that he used a backpack.

          This is a statement about a “plus” weight that you need gloves to remove.

  10. Champagne says:

    Just when I thought I had heard them all!

  11. locolobo says:

    Forrest, would the best be “kid” gloves? Or “boxing” gloves? ๐Ÿ™‚

    Thanks again Jenny, and ff, for the sport!!

  12. DeCall says:

    Hey Forrest, did you forget gloves when you went?

  13. 42lbs was always in question. It was 44lbs at one point. Now it’s 42 plus. 42 is a clue, not the actual weight of the box. Just like 10 x 10 x 5 is probably not the actual dimensions.


    • Seeker says:

      “plus” is more interesting then 42.. imo. Plus to add? math?

      Did you notice that the character count from the A in “A” to the T in “Treasures” is 42?
      And yes, maybe those in-differences of 44, 42, 42 plus and the 10×10 by 5 and the 10×10 by 6 have subtle intentions… or simply 5.5 years of repeating it all, and their simply errors.

    • astree says:

      He does seem to pack a lot into these satements, in addition to the surface meaning.

      There are 24 letters in the first phrase, plus the “42”.

      “chest” is the 4th word in the poem line, the 2nd word in these words.

      the first two words in the last phrase have letter count 4 2

      Liz, if you’re reading, the skip 4 on the last phrase (start with T in besT) is TALS – swedish for “Century”. – in addition to being an anagram for LAST.


  14. JC1117 says:

    Another interesting addition to the Weekly Words From Forrest Collection. Now what to make of it…

    “…best to have gloves”, Forrest says.

    Perhaps it’s all on account of the spiders where the treasure sits…under a piece of wood.

    Best to have gloves.

    Maybe the answer is hidden in a word that is key. Hmmm…

    Gloves = G Love S


    Thanks Jenny and Forrest…for the (more than) aMUSEing words that you share.

    • JC1117 says:

      I know it likely doesn’t mean anything related to Forrest’s words today…but today is 3/11…so…


    • astree says:

      JC1117, there was an aspect I was looking at, which is that “have” glo-ves gives 3-3 letters. As the number 33 is significant in several ways, I thought toward the tie to Masonry (and noticing that your first URL ends with RY) and G-loves.


    • astree says:

      I loved the ukulele video, JC1117. The title, the music, the video – I was trying to determine if it was all at the same time, since the sky changed so dramatically. Maybe it was just perspective.

      Since you mentioned the 311… on March 11, ’33, the musical film “42nd Street” was released.

    • astree says:

      JC1117, you might get a kick out of this. Just checked my e-mail and found this from yesterday

      > From: Fenwick Inn
      > Subject: Book Early & Save 30% on your Ocean City Getaway!
      > To: …………………….
      > Date: Friday, March 11, 2016, 6:03 PM

      We had stayed there a few years ago, when we were having trouble finding a room in our usual haunt.

      It’s across the road from LEO’s.

    • astree says:

      The numerical value of “pounds” = 89, so

      42 “plus” “pounds” = 131, and 3/11 the date of the posting

      There is a direct phrase here that crosses precisely with Roswell and the “Fandango” puzzle – it’s giving me a bit of vertigo, trying to get my two hands around it.

  15. Onuat says:

    42lb,s plus what? Bones?Thankyou Forrest.Heavy duty waterproof work gloves it is. ๐Ÿ™‚
    Always a pleasure to visit every Friday, thanks Jenny.

  16. OH! says:

    You need the gloves so it does not hurt your hands when you are pulling up on the cable it is hanging on.

  17. Paul says:

    I think everyone is reading too much into this. He has been trying to tell us for three weeks now that someone is very close and he knows it. Someone probably sent him a correct solve or blaze and he is telling them back that they are very hot. Well, I think we all need to bring our A game because someone has thrown down the gauntlet.

    • Friend says:

      Hi Paul, I must have been interpreting his weekly words wrong…. Again. How do you see him hinting that someone is so close? What does throw down the gauntlet mean? Haven’t heard that one before.

      • Friend says:

        Never mind about “throw down the gauntlet”, just researched it.

      • Paul says:

        Friend, sorry for the delay. Just was able to log back in. To answer your question 2 weeks ago he said paraphrasing Sage to take two trips to carry the treasure, then last week what ifs. Like the what if you have the treasure then what do you do. Are you prepared? Then today he tells you how to carry it home. Those three weeks to me talk about what to do after the solve or after you find the treasure. Maybe I’m wrong. Sorry for the delay again friend.

    • Chris says:

      I believe you are correct Paul. It is my belief that he is speaking to me. Of course a lot of people think that. I can tell you that I wrote FF about the legalities of removing the treasure from where it is at. Three days later he talks about the ” what if’s” here. When he refers to the what if’s he is referring to a video he did and he talks about the What if’s. What if you find it on park land, what if you find it on private property, what if you find it on Indian land. He paid a lawyer a lot of money to figure out all of the what if’s. His final statement in the what if’s was “what if there is no issue”. Meaning where he put it it is legal by law for you to take it home without fear of the Federal Government being able to take it from you. Remember Jenny stated that FF sent her those words recently? I believe he was answering my question I had sent him 3 days earlier. Then again I could be wrong. Who knows?

      • Chris says:

        Am I close? We will know in 6 weeks. I think so.

        • JC1117 says:

          Good luck, Chris. Sounds like you may be right. You must have a lot of patience. If I knew exactly where it’s at then I couldn’t possibly wait for 6 weeks to go get it. That takes stamina, and I commend you. I look forward to hearing from you. It’s about time. Good Luck, Fellow Chaser!

          • Chris says:

            I have been waiting 4 MONTHS. Why? FF stated it would be worth the cold right? Think about this for a minute. Picture yourself at the spot where he put it in August and it’s 90 degrees. Why would you be cold? The answer.. it is my belief that in retrieving the treasure a person is going to get wet. Getting wet in the winter in the Rocky Mountains is a death sentence for most people. At 50 years old I don’t believe I would have survived if I had gone earlier. A recent daytime temperature at my spot was 6 degrees. I am only hoping it starts to warm up quickly

            • JC1117 says:

              Certainly sounds like you’ve got good savvy, Chris. With all the snow this year a person might not be able to get to their spot until September or October…just before it snows again.

              I can see Forrest doing something like that, though…putting the treasure in a place where it might be accessible…if you know EXACTLY where it is…but more easily accessible at a certain time of the year. The altitude window he gave…which is quite high…seems to suggest it. I thought maybe his mention of Time magazine might be hinting to a location like that, too. You only have a month or two in the fall to access it without a snow shovel…for example.

              If you’re right about the cold water part then you better have a drysuit…and a good one of those will cost you about $1500 I hear. That’s really the only way to deal with cold water and cold air. Finding the treasure won’t do you any good if you’re not alive to enjoy it. Be careful.

  18. IMO – Forrest is tell us: “The Chest” weighs 42 pounds and added to that extra – to the greatest degree or extent – hold in mind the experience of – a (French Word) Gauntlet or a challenge with difficult or trying experiences. What do you think?

  19. Jacob says:

    I like your assumption Paul. IMHO, I’d like to think it is me. ๐Ÿ™‚ I have sent emails to FF with no reply. Granted, I am more than confident enough and will follow my solve through even without his response. The poem, the hunt, how to solve it… it is all simple genius and speaks to you… if I am interpreting it right. I cannot think of another place it can be, there are too many things pointing the way. If you analyze his words and comments over and over, use your imagination, you can locate it. I just hope it hasn’t been found and not announced. Think big picture. ( I also found it strange that I made a comment about Dal’s site on the Six Questions with FF area on Wed. 3/2 and he posted a comment about HOD the following Friday and Jenny said he gave it to her on Wed 3/2 for use that day…) Coincidence? Not sure. Best of luck to everyone this year.

  20. Paul says:

    Jacob, I think you may be onto something. Forrest has been trying to tell us there are no deciphers or etc. Just analyze the words he says and listen to what he is saying. Right now he is saying someone is very close. I have a solve myself that I am pretty confident about. I wonder if you have a leg up on me?

  21. Thomas D says:

    I never leave home with out them! That’s from my days spent as a welder.

  22. Madeline says:

    I’ll be sure to pack them. Wouldn’t want to break my nails.

  23. 23kachinas says:

    Che cosa succede se la formica poteva vedere anche voi?

  24. Jacob says:

    Paul, when you thinking about going out? People overlook things, it’s in our nature. If you tell me the state I can determine if your on to it. Thanks for your comment. I appreciate it.

  25. Paul says:

    Hi Jacob, Montana for me and when the snow decides to melt in the Rockies. No problem Jacob , I appreciate your responses as well.

  26. twingem says:

    Sometimes it feels good to just say “yes, it would be my honor to do that for you.” Feels good. Giving is so much better than receiving.

    Love the chase! Thanks for giving us all so much ff.

    —- When the student is ready, the teacher arrives.

    • pdenver says:

      Hello twingem. I agree with your words. It is a beautiful feeling when one gives from the heart.

    • oneway333 says:

      Hello twingem, it does feel good to give from the heart ! that I’m afraid needs to be shared by more people on this orb we dwell. I think about how it must be for ff to be sitting on a island by himself for all these years (Tom Hanks/Wilson) waiting for a ship to pass and having the “what ifs” swirl around his head. How lonely and tired he must feel, and dealing with a lot of the crazy people that the TTOTC has attracted . It must be horrible to say the least. I’m sure there has been a lot of positive things happen that he enjoyed too. I know that the older one gets the more you feel like slowing down. I imagine for him it is probably like riding a bike down a hill, if he stops pedaling he’ll wreck! I’m new to the TTOTC so my thoughts are on the Poem but circling my mind is always “That Island”.

    • Ellen says:

      twingem…I like your comments.

      “The value of a man should be seen in what he gives and not in what he is able to receive”…Albert Einstein

      “Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself”…Chinese Proverb

      …Yes, and just sometimes…the student and the teacher can each complete the journey while they travel along the same path.

  27. Jacob says:

    Paul, Montana is great, but not if your looking for treasure. Don’t put too much focus on wwwh like so many others. Think about ff and his personality. Look at the history. It’s important.

  28. 23kachinas says:

    Did anyone else learn the periodic table this way?

    Listen good…

    Elements 79 (Gold) and 80 (Mercury)
    “Gold to make you rich till you grow old Mercury to tell you when it’s really cold”

    • JC1117 says:

      Hello, 23Kachinas. I didn’t learn the periodic table with that song…but I DID get really flustered listening to this Version of The Elements by Tom Lehrer. He wrote the song in 1959, and it looks like there have been 9 elements discovered after he wrote the song…according to the graphic at the end of the video. I think many more elements have been discovered since the the YouTube video was posted, but they are so unstable that they don’t exist in nature for very long.


      • 23kachinas says:

        Similar to these elements not lasting in nature..

        Which has the longest lifespan?

        A. caddisfly
        B. fish
        C. angler
        D. fishing lodge
        E. memory
        F. river
        G. mountain
        H. planet
        I. star
        J. constellation
        K. galaxy
        L. gold
        M. mercury

        And how would that change the location of HOB?

        • JC1117 says:

          That’s an interesting list to ponder, 23Kachinas. From man’s physical perspective it is safe to assume that nothing in that list will last “forever”…unless a Higher Power maintains Order in the The Universe…as we “know” it.

          If There Is a Higher Power…which I believe There Is…then I believe that memory has the longest lifespan of anything on your list. Memory is Intelligence which is not limited by space or time.

          But I do see your point…I think. Gold is one of the least reactive elements found in nature, and can last longer than a galaxy…assuming it is isolated and its atomic structure is not altered by a star or some other very powerful force…like a black hole.

    • Lia says:

      Maybe you need ‘glo’ gloves to protect yourself from molybdenum (element 42) or uranium (element 92). The two elements are often used together. Is F talking about atomic weight?

      If we consider his last two statements: Consider the what “ifs” and 42 plus… Alphanumerically IT = 92 which = Uranium. So what is “it” in the poem? Does the finder need to be worried about “peril” Forrest spoke of?

  29. MixeSignal says:

    Great discussion. We may never know if someone is “close” or not, but either way I’ve always wanted to ask f this question…

    If the treasure location were to be discovered in the near term, would you wish you had made the chase poem more difficult, or are you still satisfied in its complexity as originally written? This assumes of course that the one who finds your spot does so by solving the poem as you intended.

  30. astree says:

    I’m lead to believe it’s a time-order enumerated sequence. It may be a step in the right direction.


  31. Jdiggins says:

    I always bring gloves, and my husband, but..
    He is out of searching commission due to recurring back injuries. He can’t move, and therefore, I seek not for treasure without my life treasure! Makes me sad, but I have faith, I pray for him, I pray for patience and Truly, I just miss the velocity of the chase I had before, but I’m hanging in, out, upside down and sideways, working my brain to genius plus! I am so ready for a blue ribbon! ๐Ÿ™‚

  32. Chris says:

    Thanks Forrest. I will. Time is getting short.

  33. Case says:

    Has anyone thought that this chase reflects many things from many sources i.e. Forrest has mixed the bible with the black arts etc… In other words he’s mixed the entire spirit realm together. He does say he is the most spiritual man but not religious. Anyone following?

  34. Chad says:

    @ Oh, I think you are right. After reading some of Forrest’s weekly words.
    I have tossed logic out the window. So from the perspective of an imaginative mind.
    WWWH a place of acceptance, based in the fact Forrest was facing his possible demise
    from cancer. Possibly the area he parked his car. And take it in the canyon down: The path he took to the hob.

  35. Muset says:

    I envisioned music and dancing and joyful summer sporting at the end.. not gloves..

    Logistics always niggles the moments.

  36. Mike says:

    You need gloves to dig up the buried treasure. This is a big hint. It can’t be at any US National Park or Forest where its illegal to dig…

  37. Yawn says:

    A friend’s father, who was a curator at the ancient
    ruins, gave me tacit permission to climb over a low wall and into a
    1oooo-year-old back yard. I dug in the sharp volcanic cinders with
    my gloved hands.

  38. astree says:


    Where was that ? Europe? What did you find ?

  39. astree says:

    Hmmm …. “best to have gloves”

    This ends in the letters made 4


  40. Lisa says:

    Jenny, are these wordโ€™s new like last week,or are they words that were given to you back in December?

    • Jenny Kile says:

      Hi Lisa, they are words I had in December. (I just now see this question above too- I’ll delete that one— sorry for not answering sooner but I don’t always catch them) ~jenny

  41. The Wolf says:

    “The chest weighs 42 pounds plus, best to have gloves”

    Interesting post, almost sounds innocent and common sense. However, what “wroth the cold” championship sport is being played right now that involves 42 and gloves? Answer that and you may have your hoB and a hint to the bullseye hint..

      • JC1117 says:

        I thought that too, Spoon…but have you ever seen a serious curler wearing gloves? Curlers need all the dexterity and accuracy that they can muster. It seems to me that actually wearing gloves is important…somehow.

        But there’s a heapin’ helpin’ of 42 in the sport of curling…and a bullseye. No doubt about that.

        • the Wolf says:

          Ok that didn’t take long. Now I am a serious curler and I do not wear curling glove but many do (avoid blistering) Former World Champion Randy Ferby to name one (photo of him and his second wearing curling gloves)

          https://fieldofplaymag.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/ferbeyteam.jpg .

          They actually manufacture special “curling gloves” so whether some wear them or not is irrelevant. The fact is curling gloves exist. Where it is played is what is important. It is played in the “house” with “rocks/stones” and “brushes” and they “time” rocks speed. I am sure some can relate those terms.

    • The Wolf says:

      Also, the granite comes from only two sources in the world. One is from a quarry in Scotland called Ailsa Craig. You know what FF say about quarries?

      Tightly focused on a word that is Kays of Scotland? One must “focus” on the broom if they are to have success!

      • The Wolf says:

        Ailsa Craig when translated means “fairy rock” Didn’t Fenn sell his dead dog painting for one of some fairies dancing around a rock?
        Dancing around a curling rock?

    • the Wolf says:

      “I don’t want to go down the centre line like most others”f from the latest interview. Nicely timed centreline comment matches the centreline term in curling. Exactly 42 yards from hack to hack on a curling sheet of ice. Worth the cold?

  42. SL says:

    The weight of the granite stone, (“Rock” in North America)……is well within the range of what the chest weighs. The “brushes” are also used to’ sweep’ ice away. A girls curling team in Santa Fe, NM is fairly popular. It appears that Canada is THE place for professional action, however.

    Curling looms large in Scotland and parts nearby. (Rather interesting, indeed!)

    Golfing gloves, no?

    • the Wolf says:

      Golf? Interesting but they are not worn when putting for Parr!
      Usually only wear one (not two). But where is the significance of 42 in that?

    • Ellen says:

      And don’t forget Forrest’s trip to Kaunes’s in Scrapbook Forty Six…

      Forrest asked the woman with a head full of ‘curlers’ – “How many stations can you get on that thing”?

      Interesting learning about the sport and it’s being related to games called bowls (English), ‘boules’ (French) and shuffleboard. Seems many colleges have curling teams…even Ivy League Schools like Yale.

  43. astree says:

    Jenny, the “42 pounds PLUS” … hope you like this

    I got started looking at treasure puzzles with “Treasure – In Search of The Golden Horse”. On p. 34, there is a phrase

    “Start me to your Journey’s End”


    Eliminating the spaces from the phrase, and squaring it up … is a PLUS


    The beginning of the phrase is STAR, so you might want to try the same format on

    “Twinkle twinkle little star!”

    ( you may never look at that song the same )



  44. All I can do is sit here and stew in Santa Fe, fishing day after day for information…is someone maybe running out the clock? I mean how could they not know, are they really that stupid? Day after day I wander from the living room iPad to the den and I’ve chewed my fingernails right down to the stub. I’ve been like this ever since I was a kid obsessed over things, I just can’t let go! My daddy always paid more attention to my older brother, I wonder if there isn’t some deep insecurity inside of me, I constantly need attention. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?

    • JC1117 says:

      I kinda know how you feel, Little Moo Moo. You bite your nails, too? I wish I didn’t, but my anxiety always takes over. My Grandmother did the same thing for her entire life. I suppose I could quit if I really wanted to…but it seems I don’t have the willpower.

      Whatever the issue is…or issues are…I hope there is a resolve for you soon. From my own experience, I can’t honestly recommend going to see a psychologist/psychiatrist because they seem to have more mental issues than most “other” people I see. Besides…it takes me about 4 hours of skilled, hard labor to talk to a shrink for 1 hour. Nothing gives me more anxiety than THAT! :/

      But I CAN recommend getting outside…especially at Springtime…and feeling the breeze…and smelling the sunshine…and KNOW that There Is a Higher Hand who Loves and watches over all.

      And when you don’t feel so great…do something good for someone else…or for many others…and you’ll suddenly feel better…and in Their Eyes you will Be Great.

      • JC I’m a mess, I worry constantly that my method is too obscure, people just don’t understand. my wife and I are at odds over this Chase , The time I owe my wife and grandkids is all spent on the Chase. Sometimes I wish I could go back and do it all over, I put a brave face on publicly. I kno there is a God watching over me .

  45. astree says:

    There was something I was just looking at, JC1117. It is Forrest’s most recent blog


    The capital letters of the title almost look like “TE AMO”
    Wonder, where that comes from.

  46. astree says:

    Yes, it relates to JC1117 post to Little Moo Moo. It is an aside, not directly part of the treasure hunt.

  47. Joshua ross says:

    Lol… lol 3 letters half is 1.5 which is the amount of brain power used by most.lol
    Ever picked up bronze out of freezing water which its been sitting in for years? Ice cold! Lol
    Plus it’s 42 pounds!
    “Your effort will be worth the COLD”
    that one’s for free!

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