Weekly Words from Forrest Fenn for November 25th, 2016

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Weekly Words from Forrest 

Weekly words for November 25th, 2016 are as follows:

*Don’t ever let desire for the treasure lure you into a dangerous situation. f

Best of luck with The Thrill of the Chase and all that you seek! Treasure the Adventure!

(Words recently given and not from original list)



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186 Responses

  1. astree says:

    Thanks, Forrest and Jenny. Common sense sometimes isn’t so common. This is a powerful reminder as winter weather closes in.

  2. astree says:

    Interesting, the “Thrill of the Chase” documentary “The Lure” just premiered (within the last few weeks?). Many of these Weekly Words seems to connect to on-going Chase events. Is there a rule associated with the posts appearance?

  3. Iron Will says:

    Anyone find the fox dressing like the hound in that picture? 😀

  4. JDA says:

    As I almost always say, “Try to STAY SAFE ALL”

    Just plain good advice. JDA

  5. pdenver says:

    Thank you for this week’s “Weekly Words,” Jenny and Mr. Fenn. I greatly appreciate them. Definitely things to think about. 🙂

  6. OH! says:

    It is always good to check the weather and read about the place you are going to visit and get to know the flora and fauna. Then read up on the flora and fauna that is presented there for any dangers. Poison weeds are no fun and Bears, Wolves, Moose, etc can pose a threat. Bear spray should always be carried anywhere you go in the Rocky Mountains and is a very good defense. And never go alone.

  7. Buckeye Bob says:

    I guess I can put my sandwich away until next year.

  8. jackson says:

    Is the picture from you Jenny?

    • Iron Will says:

      Yes Jackson, she got it from Dreamstime.com. The original owner of the pic is Miriam Doerr (Pasiphae) from Germany. Hope that answers your question in case she does not respond. 😛

  9. Headed Down says:

    Me 2. I’ll eat this sandwich and pack another for next year. Now if he had said “lonely situation”, that would be different and I would have said “too late.”. Ho hum.

  10. 23kachinas says:

    Everyone have fun searching for treasures on Black Friday and Cyber Monday.

  11. Buckeye Bob says:

    If I were to go on the winter, I’d take along my 45-70 rifle, .44 magnum revolver, and my sawed-off Ace Hardware outdoor broom with me.

  12. Iron Will says:


    The winking fox dressed like the hound. 😉

  13. SL says:

    Good eye! – Thought it was a raccoon. ( There are others ).


      • pdenver says:

        If you let your imagination flow, you can also see letters. Why, Iron Will, why? Why did you suggest to look at the photo when I think it was Jenny who chose this, not Mr. Fenn? Now, you have me wondering what’s in it, rather than what HE said. lol 🙂

        • Iron Will says:

          LMAO… I was bored…and it caught my eye immediately. Given past talk about “fox dressing like the hound” and the “winking blaze”, I had to post that 😛 where are the letters? 😯

          • pdenver says:

            Funny! 🙂 If you look at the upper left section of the photo, look for dark shades. Let’s see what your eyes and imagination sees! lol 🙂

            There’s also a couple dark shades on the bottom, too.

          • Iron Will says:

            ooh found what looks like BAC in upper left of pic and above it a little is JIPP . Too much pareidolia going around 😛

            • Strawshadow says:

              Is it real?

            • pdenver says:

              Did you find, YES? 🙂

            • pdenver says:

              Now I have to find what you’re seeing! Dang it, Iron Will! lol

              • Strawshadow says:

                Good eyes, all I see are goldy rocks.

                • pdenver says:

                  Not implying the photo is suggesting anything, but I’m just curious to ask. Have you ever been to Yellowstone, Strawshadow?

                • Strawshadow says:

                  Yes many times, I worked there, vacationed with family there, fished and fell in love there. Also went to school in Bozeman. It’s a wonderful place to search.

                • pdenver says:

                  That’s wonderful! I’m glad to know this. I’ve never been to Bozeman. Been to Yellowstone many times, and just like you, I love it there. There’s so much I still need to discover there. Not chase related, but for the true enjoyment of such a beautiful place. I’d love to visit West Yellowstone again and discover the beauty of this place, too. Tried a couple times within the past three years, and each time broke down, but was success in July when we went. I would have loved to have stayed longer to see what it was about, but family members had other plans. When we head into Montana, it’s usually through Gardiner. There was a place we use to go to for bison burgers every time we went to Yellowstone, but they switched it over to a Mexican restaurant. Now, we go to a place down the road. It’s off of Scott St. W, just before Hellroaring St.. It’s in the shops before that road, on the right side, called, “The Outlaw”. They serve pasta and one of the best tasting calzones the family has eaten.

                • Strawshadow says:

                  Wow pdenver, your enthusiastic response was welcome and heartfelt. I love your positive outlook,. Thank You

                • pdenver says:

                  Thank you, Strawshadow. There have been many of your responses that I have read and felt the same.

            • Spallies says:

              Lol yup… Can you see the Dove?

  14. Strawshadow says:

    Thank you Jenny and Mr. Fenn,
    Check your balances before testing unknown waters. A dangerous situation may lead towards undesirable folly. Sage advice indeed.

  15. SL says:

    Upper right near the corner: Looks like a clock. A bit to the left of the clock’ appears to be a fish.


  16. SL says:



    Looks like the photo of the “Cottingley Fairies” right next to the ‘g’ in the word “Winking” – Directly above that; a bird looking to its right slightly above what appears to be a ‘triangle’.

    I use the “ZOOM” feature on my laptop to get even closer – But, still…LOL.

    Blessed, my friend.


  17. ACE says:

    This tells me that Forrest is doing well. Thanks so much for the post Forrest!
    Now back to hibernation for me zzzz…

  18. The Wolf says:

    Interesting WW since it is not from the stockpile. So why now?
    First layer – yup standard safety message, but that could have been covered by the stockpile. Perhaps (since he is privy to emails form searchers), he has received some “stupid” plans to retrieve the chest and is emphasizing the general warning.

    Second layer – uses the words “desire” and “lure.” Of course many will gravitate to the movie “The Lure,” so a promotion to the chase is the natural conclusion. However, this a good place for our magician to use the sleight of hand. While everyone is focusing on the movie, what does “lure” and FF’s previous messages convey? Well of course the answer is easy to see all the fishing references, the arc of his fly rod, Pickles (his favourite lure), tying flies, and so many more. Fenn the fisherman is at work, is the hint the hook, the “lure” and not the movie?

    Third Layer – the word “desire” is derived from the French language the intersection of French soldiers grave may be at play here. How about word play: de-sire. de = the (French), sire = a male parent of some animals (such as dogs, cattle and horses). Think about the animals that intersect the chase – is there a reason for bringing in Tesuque and a reason for naming his publishing company “The one horse land and cattle company?

    What about “The Bull?” SB 99.5 = the radio station “The Bull” – poem’s word “peace” and his insistence on emphasizing Sitting Bull’s “peace pipe.” Is desire The Bull or Sitting Bull?

    or alternatively:

    sire = address a man of rank or authority (such as a king or lord). So are we talking about “The King”, “The Lord” or The Ruler (Frosty=cold)? Then what Ruler? Intersect that with the poem’s words – “quest” and the answer becomes clearer (Finding Forrest Fenn readers know what I am talking about).

    Food for thought…

    • Strawshadow says:

      So funny, I’m stuffed from Thanksgiving and you offer a free buffet for thought. Anyone who hasn’t read your book is missing an opportunity, not only to help a charitable cause, but also to explore an intelligent alternative. Thank you.

      • SL says:

        I conquer, Strawshadow, my friend. (Wolf offers brain food and forces me to absorb its nourishment!)

        I thank you, Wolf. Time and time….again.


  19. Sparrow says:

    When I look at the picture I can see Mickey Rooney in rabbit pajamas riding a kangaroo. My wife looks at it and she sees Judy Garland.

    There are 3D’s in the sentence though–and Forrest has 3 ducks. When he bought them the man said “they come in sets”. Don’T DesirE and DangerouS spells “set”.

    Interesting huh? 🙂

    • Sparrow says:

      For more on the ducks go to Dal’s site, Scrapbook #146. There is something about that SB (can’t put my finger on it) that is very important. I gravitate towards it over and over again. Of course, it could be because I like ducks also. I’m a sucker for wise but quacks. 🙂

    • astree says:

      Great observation, Sparrow. That the D’s are first letters tends to strengthen it. Looking at the last five words, could also be something like YSAID.

  20. Sparrow says:

    For wise quacks. I hate spellcheck.

  21. jjdiggin says:

    See, I have a problem with danger. It eludes me quite often. What I imagined as extremely frightening is just a muck in the rules for some. Conversly, what others view as insanely brave, I guess is just pure stupidity on my part, or…hmmmm…lemme think…lol

  22. Jonsey1 says:

    Kinda reminds me of a rephrased:
    Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil”

  23. William says:

    if they don’t laugh at your ideas then you aren’t dreaming big enough!

  24. Fenngshui says:

    These words could be applied to the Sioux Standing Rock situation. The desire for “black gold” is the lure and the land, water, and human lives are put in danger.

    • JL says:

      Could be and an unfortunate situation for all involved, all sides have made mistakes.

    • GEYDELKON says:

      Sir, I can see your point. Standing Rock has been the beginning of the end for the Native Americans. It has redivided itself in the interest of greed and emerged from the pain once held. Sitting Bull was vital to finding peace and kept his secret close. He was a good man and loved his people. The Sioux love the earth and the water is life. It was said that they could own a piece of earth but in any Native
      American language there is no words to own mother earth. Perhaps Yellow Hair will finally have his day.

      Mr. Fenn, I am sure many thoughts have crossed your mind of what is gong on at Standing Rock. Could you share your thoughts on how we can come together as a nation to find middle ground in situations like this?

  25. John Boy says:

    Last week Forrest gave us what I personally consider the biggest clue he has ever given. Some may disagree with me and that is ok. I would just like to reiterate what he said and my evaluation one more time so that I can connect to the most people possible. I will preface this by saying that I could be completely wrong. However in my 5 years of research into his treasure hoard I believe that last weeks statement was integral to finding the treasure. If you find my words to be potentially realistic… go for it. I would however relay FF words to me. He emailed me in response to my email to him and told me, quote. ” you cannot find it in the snow”.

    I believe last weeks words from Forrest have a really serious clue. Decide for yourself from what I stated last week.

    John Boy says:
    November 22, 2016 at 10:18 pm
    FF has given us the biggest clue yet to where he hid the chest. Most people however aren’t really listening in my opinion. The people that aren’t speaking here are the ones that know the most. I am speaking here because, in truth I don’t believe that most who talk here will listen. FF stated, and no I cannot reference the EXACT quote, but he did state in the past, something to the effect, that if there is no back story nobody could EVER find it. If a person reads everything FF has written and makes a list of every PLACE that FF has ever spoken of and correlate that with what he has stated in this weeks weekly words, if you understand them completely, then there is only one search area.

    Even though I shouldn’t I will explain why.

    Mildew CAN grow on wood given the proper conditions. Water is necessary. The second most important thing that mildew needs is acidic conditions. Not a lot of acid, just enough. Let us say there was a river that FF frequented where there was such a condition where acid was naturally neutralized. Mildew could not live there no matter what. There is a place where FF frequented where the water is alkali instead of acidic. He never spoke of the waters alkalinity but he spoke of the place often. The waters in the area that he spoke of are alkali meaning completely NON acidic.

    If a person does the proper research of EVERY place FF has mentioned they would find that there are very special places. These places because of their very special makeup beget a much larger population of fish and as a result animals. Where there is more food there is a much larger population of animals that feed on them. I believe, not that I have any ability to prove it, that FF believed his place to be a special place because of the abnormally large amount of wildlife in his special place.

    In the last 2 years I have been to this place 3 times. At this time SPECIFICALLY because of FF words this week, I believe I have been within 10 miles or less of his spot. Am I correct? Nobody is correct until they find it.

    I will say in closing that no matter if I find it or I don’t the fact that FF got myself and my lady to go exploring in part of the country we never believed we would ever see, regardless of the cost, was worth everything.

    IF you have been patient enough to read everything I have written I will give you a HUGE clue.
    There are only 200 places in the WORLD where he could have hid the chest where it is impossible for mildew to grow.
    Correlate that with the places he has spoken about that he has been to and there is ONE place. Just one.

    FF stated something to the effect that it was a very small place in a very large area.

    FF wrote me once when I was there to early in the year and told me ” You cannot find it in the snow”
    If anyone understands me and what I have written I expect a race in the spring. There is however 20 miles of area. I have been to everyplace but one. I brushed it aside not believing it could be there. Nobody goes there. I just recently found out it’s where Brown goes in the winter.

    I have given away to much already. I will now retire till March. Book your rooms now. I already have.

    GOD bless. Everyone have a great happy Thanksgiving and a wonderful Christmas / Hanukkah and a safe New Year.

    Thank you Forrest Fenn
    Thank you Jenny Kile

    John Boy / Chris Clark

    PS. Not that it matters but I am an associate at an auction house in Daytona Beach Florida by the name of Central Florida Auction Block. I am in charge of all research, photography “not that I am good at it” and advertising on the internet. I am 50 years old. I have been doing research in a serious capacity since I was 14. I truly love a seriously hard challenge. That doesn’t mean I can figure everything out in days or weeks. I have items in my personal collection that took me 4 years to identify properly. I also have items I have owned for 8 years I STILL haven’t identified. That which FF has put before us intrigues me. Something inside me will not allow me to let it go. I may never find it, but that just proves FF point. It’s the thrill of the chase NOT the find that keep’s us searching.


    Christopher Lawrence Clark

    • Lisa Wierenga says:

      I readall the way, and agree its a special place for him. And knowing the back stories helped, was there (at my spot last November) funny mud was still wet. Iv been 4 times ( to my spot) and ff said 5 times is when I’ll find it, lol . I’m from Michigan and my way of travel is driving, and sleeping in truckstops and rest areas, with 14 yr old son and 18 yr old daughter. Started in 2013 so they were younger then. I feel like ttotc , is a treasure all by it self,. We will never be the same.
      Oh and did I mention we got to meet ff? Now I have to start writing books on my totc adventures. And if you read all the way through ” thanks nice to meet ya”

    • Kpro says:

      Really great post. I hadn’t thought about it that way but believe you are correct.

  26. John Boy says:

    I will say one other thing. FF stated you will need a good map. He wasn’t kidding. The map you will need will be VERY hard to find. I have not found it yet. He found it AFTER he found the waterfall. It is an extremely hard map to find. It is a 1800 – 1880 mining map. There is no map made today that will tell you where. The place has been forgotten. Forrest found it by accident. He didn’t tell about the falls but he did tell about it in “News on March 27, 2008 titled “God protects foolish kids” ” which is no longer available online since the newspaper shut down. He wrote the story many years before he hid the treasure but changed it 6 weeks before he announced to the world that he had hid the treasure. What was in the original story that he changed? Maybe something about stinking creek? Maybe? 6 weeks before he told the world he changed the story. Why? Can I prove it. I cannot. I promise, my hand to GOD, FF stated he hid the treasure within a 6 week period so that nobody could go back and find out how far he drove. 6 weeks before he announced to the world he changed the story. Coincidence? Does anyone have the original story before it was changed? Why was that story changed 6 weeks before he announced everything to the world? Then he told everyone he hid it in a 6 week period? What was in the original story? Does anyone know?

    • Jonsey1 says:

      I have that story and all the stories in that paper on file. If you want I can send you a copy. It was revised in the online version as well to remove the 194* forrest service map. I got a copy of that in high res. From the library of Congress awhile back on high res. PDF if you want it too. Shoot me your email and I’m glad to send it to you. Funny thing about stinking Creek as I learned from the geospatial map ppl that sent it over….there’s actually several stinking creeks in that area of the Galatian at that time. Craziness.

        • Mike W says:

          Thank you Jonesy! It’s very interesting to see those stories in their earlier renditions.

        • Kpro says:

          Very helpful. Thank you.

        • Last year I took 2 trips. Kepler Cascades, NOPE and a falls NOBODY knows of. There is a falls ABOVE Faries Falls. BY Google Earth it might only be 3 ft tall. Again by Google Earth it is 20 ft from the top of Faries Falls. It might only be a falls in the spring. It is there though. If you are good with maneuvering with Google Earth you can find it. I went there this year. I found one way to possibly get there WITHOUT going cross country. Remember FF made 2 trips in a day and a child could get there with a little help. I got 30 ft from the top, and the mountain rose to a 65% incline for the last 30 ft. I didn’t try it. An 80 year old man could not go there twice in one afternoon and a child could not go there with a “little” help. I would love to go there but FF didn’t put it there. He may have been there when he was younger but he didn’t put it there if you listen to his words.

          His words this week tell me more…
          *Don’t ever let desire for the treasure lure you into a dangerous situation. f.

          It is only my opinion, however to me this means that most dangerous animals stay away during the tourist season. WHY? If you are there in a season OTHER THAN the tourist season EVERYPLACE IS DANGEROUS. However once people make there presence known during tourist season animals go away…. for the most part. While in early spring I have seen footprints of mother and cub, however during the active tourist season I have NEVER seen footprints of bears in the tourist areas. Does that mean it’s in a tourist area? I cannot say one way or the other. If it is between Red Canyon and Ennis at ANY time of year… I believe that UNLESS YOU KNOW THE AREA you are putting yourself into a dangerous situation. That however is MY belief. It may NOT be FF’s belief. I didn’t grow up every summer with the knowledge that I had to look and listen for bears. FF DID. When he took his trip ” Looking for Lewis and Clark” formerly named ” GOD protects foolish Children” He was very used to watching and listening for bears. What may not be dangerous to him may in fact be dangerous to those of us that didn’t grow up that way. Personally I grew up in Baltimore City. If I had only had to watch out for one thing it would have been much nicer. If I were telling you it’s not dangerous in Baltimore City first I would be a fool for saying that and you would be a fool for believing it. What he grew up learning is not dangerous for HIM. It may be for us. What I grew up learning is not dangerous for me. It probably would be for all of you that didn’t grow up in Baltimore City.

          So when FF states… *Don’t ever let desire for the treasure lure you into a dangerous situation. f. Do we truly know if he is thinking of what is dangerous for us that know nothing or what he takes for granted is not dangerous because he knows the area and what to look for and listen to? Do we really know?

          Personally it is my belief he took all of that into account. I cannot prove it but I believe he did. Heck he though about it for 15 YEARS. I believe it is someplace that many vacationers go to, just not most of them. Most pass it by. Enough go there though to make sure that the bears rarely frequent the area during tourist season. NOT NEVER just less often. I believe FF thought of everything either DURING the 15 years he was planing this or in the 6 years since people have been searching.

          Everything I say is my opinion. I have ZERO proof of anything. But if anything I have stated gets you closer before I get there… GO FOR IT. I wish you well.

          GOD Bless,
          Christopher Clark / John Boy

        • One last thing for tonight. Stinking Creek has had many names through the years. I do not at this moment remember what it is called today. I will go through “Journal of a Trapper” in a day or two and let you know what stinking creek is called today.

          Thanks for the link. I will let you know if anything is different from what I first saw.

      • John Boy says:

        Jonsey I Will tell you everything I have on stinking creek if you can show me the map. You in your reasearch will find MANY stinking creeks in many states.. Let this email be a guarantee of a 50/50 agreement between you and I AS LONG AS YOU ARE SHOWING ME A PLACE IN MONTANA OR WYOMING. .

        I Christopher Lawrence Clark guarantee that if ANYBODY can show me maps that lead me to the finding of Forrest Fenn’s Treasure Hoard that any such person will be GUARANTEED 50% OF THE PROFITS OF THE SALE OF THE CONTENTS OF THE CHEST.

        • Jonsey1 says:

          You can pull up the Galatian quadrant of the National Forest Service map issued that year online. He names the map in the story. The stinking Creek is right where he says it is. Theres also some “good advice” printed on the map as well. What else are you looking for?

          • GEYDELKON says:

            Wow, I thought everyone knew what the stinking river was or did I forget to explain what that was. I must be in the wrong stinking town.


          • I am looking for waterfalls. The box, indulgence, is wet but not underwater. That is my belief. I have no proof of that. If we however think that the box is in the area where the spray from a waterfall keeps the box wet and also creates FF’s rainbow MAYBE we might be on the right track. Personally I work 60 hrs a week and right now I am being driven crazy trying to purchase a house. So at this moment if you are good you have a lot of time to out research me. I cannot and will not state that if there is a waterfall between Red Canyon and Ennis that it is there. According to my research I am unable to find a waterfall anywhere in that area. I however personally believe that the box is always wet because of the spray of A waterfall which also creates his rainbow. Is there a waterfall between Red Canyon and Ennis that is not listed? I don’t know. Is THAT why he stated we needed a good map? I don’t know. I d+o +know that FF stated he hid the treasure within a 6 week period so that nobody could go back to the rental car records and find out how far he drove. I also know that EXACTLY 6 weeks before he made it known to the world that he hid the treasure by releasing the book the story was changed. I just don’t know HOW the story was changed or by who. Maybe the story was changed by the editor and not by or for FF at all. Maybe the fact that I personally saw that the story was changed EXACTLY 6 weeks before FF released his first book is just weird coincidence. Maybe the change in the story has nothing to do with anything. Maybe it does? Only FF knows real answers. Am I on the right track? Again, while everything I have thyought out for the last 5 years SEEMS logical, only FF knows. +

            I would love to see that map though.

            Thanks Jonsey1
            John Boy / Chris Clark

            • JL says:

              You gotta have more than that John boy, the spray from a waterfall can cover a lot of area. I’m not saying you are wrong just that you are not precise enough. How did Fenn change his story 6 weeks before the before the release of the chase and how would that effect the outcome of the chase?

            • Lost says:

              I like the way you think, but knowing the way rivers and creeks change course in time I believe Fenn would have never put the chest anywhere close to either one and if he was standing where the chest is he said he could see forest, mountains , meadows so he can see a lot. Waterfalls are in deep mostly dark valley’s, and can’t see much, but the waterfall.

          • Thank you for that. I have kept it quiet for three years that I knew the story was changed. I do not know if the story you pointed me to is the exact original but I do know that it is different than the book and different than the story in the West Yellowstone newspaper. While I am happy to have read that version, and it is different than any version I have ever read before in small ways I would still prefer to see the original printed newspaper. I see nothing, at this time, to explain why the story was changed six weeks before he announce to the world by releasing his book that he had hid his treasure trove. I use the words “treasure trove” for reasons of Federal law. Everyone should research the Federal legal meanings of these words. I didn’t see a map there. Would love to see one. Just so you know there was no mention of ANY waterfalls in “Journal of a Trapper” that I noticed however I have only read it once and maybe between days I missed a page. Once I reread it I will let you know again.

            Seriously, thanks for the link. I truly appreciate it.

            Chris Clark / John Boy

          • Because you led me to the National Forrest Service Map you have been looking at I can tell you that according to the book ” Journal of a Trapper” that today “Stinking Creek” is known by the name of “Ruby Creek” . It is by Bucks Neck just south of Ennis. Again that is according to the book Journal of a Trapper and what the rivers and creeks were called in Osborne Russell’s days. That is according to the book. You have stated though that you actually found a creek called “stinking creek” still today. I have not found that yet but I will if it exists. I personally believe that FF likes the history of things and when he stated that Osbourne Russell escaped towards “Stinking Creek” I believe he would stay with what the rivers and stream were called WHEN Osbourne Russell was there. That again is my opinion. FF is a historian at heart. He loves living in his mind the way things were rather than the way things are. He may not state it this way but he is a “romantic” if you will, about the wild west days and even before then when this country was in it’s infancy. That may not be the proper term but I am sure you understand my meaning.

            “In the summer of 1946, when I was sixteen years old, I read a book titled Journal of a Trapper, by Osborne Russell, who in 1835 travelled along the Madison River where Hebgen Lake is now.
            Russell, along with a few of Jim Bridger’s trappers, was (were) attacked by eighty Blackfeet Indians near where Hebgen dam would be built eighty years later. After a brief fight, Russell escaped west toward Stinking Creek.”

            Stinking Creek, as it was know then, it today known as ” Ruby Creek” according to the book “Journal of a Trapper” AS IT IS WRITTEN TODAY. If this helps anyone GOD bless you but remember what FF told me… “YOU CANNOT FIND IT IN THE SNOW” FF

            Stay safe and GOD bless

            Thanks Jonsey1
            Thanks Forrest
            Thanks Jenny

            John Boy

      • Jonsey1

        I am chris@centralfloridaauctionblock.com or cfabclc@gmail.com.

        Understand I am not in any way stating that the change in the story points to a place that might be FF’s special place. It is however a place I am looking at. There is however a second place where Brown goes in winter. There is a falls there. It is easy to get to. There is no danger except maybe bears but the place is frequented often enough that the probably stay away during the height of the season. It is not a major attraction. It is however very accessible. It is also ONE of the places that makes it possible for mildew to live there. There are many place in the same 20 mile area that make the entire area inhospitable for mildew. I have been to all of them but this one.

        The fact that the story was changed though intrigues me. Was it changed because he stated to much? Or was it changed to direct us away? If you have read the story ” GOD protects foolish kids” it leads people 50 miles away from Red Canyon. More towards Ennis. I have read the book Journal of a Trapper and have found no notations about any waterfalls. To me the source of his rainbow AND the box being wet without being in water. The spray from the waterfall keeps it wet and generates his rainbow.

        If you are willing to send me what you have, the original story and the map that you have I would enjoy researching it. Is it the right place? I have no idea. It does have to be a place that FF could have walked to and from twice safely. I know one place like that. Is that area another?

        I have given away so much of what I have found or at least think I have found I will promise that if I find something in what you have shared I will tell you. I will not promise to tell you everything. I don’t believe FF or even you would want it that way. Nobody who is a true searcher, that loves the chase, truly wants the end handed to them. If I believe I have found something though I will give clues to what I believe I might have found. I will also answer questions.

        I believe FF wants this to be found. That however is my belief. I have no proof of that. Just a feeling. Especially after Randy. I will work with anyone who is willing to work with me. I do not expect you to tell me your solve. Just the same I won’t tell you mine.

        The very last thing I have to say is that of the 200 places in the world where mildew cannot grow the number one place in the world is between Texas Geyser and Ennis. ” GOD protects foolish kids” takes place between Red Canyon and Ennis. Just the place where a good map is hard to find. VERY hard to find.

        Take everything I have stated with a BIG grain of salt. I understand as you must I could be thousands of miles away from FF’s special spot.

        GOD bless, and
        Thanks Forrest,
        Thanks Jenny,
        Christopher Clark

      • mouse1 says:

        I would love to see that old map. How do I get it please?

        • Mouse1,

          Understand I am asking for old miners maps. Not that I have actually seen any that might pertain to the finding of FF’s hoard. The maps that I am seeking I have been unable to find on the net. However I am sure that they pop up time to time at flea markets antique stores and auctions. Most people will never see my request for such maps and in my opinion most maps will show me nothing. As FF stated you need a “GOOD” map. I am sure that that “good” map is very difficult to find. I am also sure that looking at the area between Red Canyon and Ennis could yield nothing. That however is why we are all hear though isn’t it. I have had this idea for quite some time but I have not been able to move beyond the theory. Therefore I have decided to put it out there for everyone to look at and reflect upon. I am one mind. Many minds have a better chance of deciding if I have a good theory or not. If my theory is deemed wrong so be it. Then I will move on. I have done what I am able to with it. Now I leave it to everyone else.

          GOD Bless

          John Boy

          P.S. I do prefer discussion rather than dismissal. Many minds working together have a better chance. In my opinion.

          • I would like to reiterate Forest Fenn’s own words… Some may not have seen them…. I believe most have but here they are;

            “Some searchers overrate the complexity of the search. Knowing about head pressures, foot pounds, acre feet, bible verses, Latin, cubic inches, icons, fonts, charts, graphs, formulas, curved lines, magnetic variation, codes, depth meters, riddles, drones or ciphers, will not assist anyone to the treasure location, although those things have been offered as positive solutions. Excellent research materials are TTOTC, Google Earth, and/or a good map.” f

            There are many people here and on other sites that believe that there are CODES, RIDDLES or CIPHERS that will lead them to the treasure. My OPINION is I TRUST FORREST FENN. He says there are no codes… I believe him. He says there are no ciphers, I believe him. He states that some searchers overrate the complexity of the search…. I BELIEVE HIM. Sometimes regardless what we are trying to figure out in our lives the solution is simple but we believe it is hard so WE make it hard. That being said easy for one mind is not always easy for another. I have been at this now for 5 years. If I knew everything I wouldn’t be here talking right now and sharing what I know asking for help. While my job it to figure things out / research, it isn’t always easy. Many times I have enlisted other people to give me their perspective and it has helped enormously. SOMETIMES. Then again I still have pieces of antiquity in my collection I still haven’t identified after 8 YEARS. Well only one piece. I had a piece last year I had owned for 4 years and hadn’t identified till early this year. I am good at what I do. However I am not all knowing and I am definitely not perfect or I would be rich. I am trying to buy a $60,000 house. Trying. I work hard but don’t have alot. My edge is I NEVER give up. It is all exactly what Forrest said it is, The Thrill of the Chase. NOT The find.

            There was once I thought I had it. I was wrong but I believed it so much I was actually sad that I believed it was over. I know this sounds crazy but I was happy I was wrong. I still had something to drive me on towards the search. Crazy right. If any searcher out there is like me, IF you find it you will be happy and dissapointed at the same time. With no chase left what will you do in your free time to stimulate your mind?

            Thank You Forrest
            Thank you for bringing it to us every week Jenny.

            GOD bless

            John Boy

            • Buckeye Bob says:

              John Boy, I agree with your take on this hunt, but I don’t know anything about your map.
              I think you’ve got a pretty cool job. It’s no wonder you are interested in this treasure hunt.
              I wish you luck on buying your house. That’s a messed up market these days. But with possibilities, and I sense that you are aware of that.

            • paul hunter says:

              I like this.

  27. Bailey says:

    Happy Thanksgiving Weekend everybody!!!

  28. astree says:

    Looks like a huge amount of info on the reverse read, part of it (including the phonetic TROPHY)

    ……………. YE RULER USA-ERTEH (earth, there) TROFE (trophy) RISED ………………

  29. lifesablaze says:

    I’ve had to leave my spot and fly south for the winter 🙁 I think I am in a dangerous situation https://youtu.be/z8rQ575DWD8 Yesterday I heard an interesting radio program on the U2 Bomber.

  30. ACE says:

    A truly deserving reason to come out of hibernation…
    JDA Thanks so much for your metaphorical solve. I have been awaiting your view of it and I will say it did not disappoint. If you do not find the chest in your locale, I’m still looking forward to how it relates geographically and takes you to your waterfall as well. First I will say this don’t sweat what Seeker shows you. Don’t worry about how Forrest may answer a question. He is not giving anything away. It IS paramount that YOU find a way to figure out Forrest’s message. This is in part why it took him 15yrs. For your share and your kindness to show others I will disburse this to you and all. Poem is a map step by step to lead you to the treasure, but is also a hidden message. Understand that and then you will be ready to work the Rockies one place at a time until you get until you get the right sequence. Once all fit into place you will see it is the one and you can move with confidence. It is a magnificent and poetic place. Trust me when I say there is no other place like it on the entire planet and this is why you will move with confidence. Of course AIMO.
    Like I said great view and your close to the nonfiction post that it truly needs to be. As we discussed many moons ago I look forward to meeting you where the dancing magical gypsies go to play.
    P.S. I hope you extended your wisdom on your own recognizance and not because you feel the teachings of the guru is intended for you. I strongly don’t feel Forrest would want someone to just give away their solve. Whomever finds the chest, most likely they will have earned it. Again AIMO
    Oh and for all the doubters which is probably everyone I will go ahead and answer your question. I made a promise to my better half to wait until next summer. Happy Holidays to all and to all a good night.
    Thanks again JD
    Now where was? I oh yeah Zzzzzz…

    • JL says:

      JDA did indeed do a great job. Unfortunately, we don’t know if Forrest crossed over and it appears he’s not saying. I did have times that I wondered what happened during his surgery. Even if he did not cross the reality of what the doctors told him after the surgery would have a deep impact on a person. There comes a time when we must all face our mortality, just make sure you have all your ducks in a row I say. For me I envision a much better place.

      • SL says:

        I recall wondering if he had actually experienced an NDE prior to being rescued. The way The Flyer chose to share the story, was beautifully surreal in many ways.



        • pdenver says:

          Hello SL. To me, the NDE would be if he wondered if he would get out of the jungle alive, not necessarily that he was dying. I may be wrong. I’ve read he went into a panic/shock state, which he had to calm himself before further continuing how to keep himself alive, but in the sense that he wasn’t dying, but could, if he was found. Hope this makes sense. Sometimes I have a hard time trying to put down what my thoughts are.

          • JL says:

            Lots of persons have NDE experiences what makes Fenns any different if he did indeed have the experience . There’s only two things to worry about either their gonna make you into newspaper or toilet paper. Now if they make you into newspaper u have nothing to worry about but if they make u into toilet paper u got two things to worry about. Either their gonna put u in the men’s bathroom or the women’s bathroom, now if they put u in the men’s bathroom u only got one thing to worry about but if they put u in the women’s bathroom u got two things to worry about.

            • pdenver says:

              Would you explain more, please? I’m not sure if I understanding what you are saying.

              • JC1117 says:

                Yes, JL.

                Please explain. LOL! 🙂

                Thanks again, Forrest and Jenny.

                And thanks for all the comments and suppositositions (sp?), Y’all.

                BTW…what is a “dangerous situation”? How do you spell that? 🙂

                • JC1117 says:

                  It occurred to me that I got the wrong spelling. I was about to correct it to supperpositions…but figured I better look it up before I look dumb. Wouldn’t want that.

                  Apparently, the word is spelled “suppositions”.

                  I need to stay at a Holiday Inn Express for a while. I wonder if they have locations with extended stay. I think I’d like that.

                • pdenver says:

                  JC1117, I’m glad you looked beforehand, because “supperpositions” makes me giggle.

          • SL says:

            An OBE, (Out of Body Experience), can result when in a state of panic/shock. You are correct, and perhaps the possibility of an NDE occurring would have been slim.

            You put your thoughts down….beautifully! – Me? LOL!!


            • pdenver says:

              Your thoughts come through wonderfully. It’s my simple mind that has the difficulty, my friend. Out of body experiences are quite interesting. I’ve had it happen to me.

  31. SL says:

    pdenver and Strawshadow,

    I’m glad my friends enjoyed the article. – Steve Jobs; imagine that!


  32. lifesablaze says:

    Interesting – Wotan – “Although he is the chief of the gods, his power is not absolute, nor is he the perfect being. As a young man he was mainly interested in love. That has now been replaced by ambition, and as The Ring begins he is seeking with every means possible to extend his power by subjecting others to his will. He embodies the temptation in all to become tyrannical, while realizing the danger of such all-embracing power. He becomes oppressed by the fear of losing his ill-gotten gains. By listening to the warning of Erda (see Earth), he escapes at the eleventh hour from his folly and from the danger of possessing the Ring.”


  33. lifesablaze says:

    Winter is moving in and the Norse stories are speaking to me. Wodes-heer, the wild host of the Eifel and Wuodes-woor, the savage monster man are of interest. These are mythological representations of the beast residing in the human subconscious. The savage impulses to be tamed. Also, in my research into the minerals I realize that many are named after the old gods. I am starting the figure that Mr. Fenn may be representing the 4 elements, the 4 directions, etc. Last week was Earth, this week appears to be Fire and I am finding Water and Air, also.

    Desire>>Latin = Desidero, French = Souhait, German = Wunschen, Welch = Gwane while researching gwane I was led to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adar_Llwch_Gwin

    Another meaning for ‘Dangerous’ is also arrogant, fastidious, difficult to please (Middle English)

    Lure: to tempt (a person or an animal) to do something or to go somewhere, especially by offering some form of reward. Brings to mind the Morgen, the Sirens, and there is also – ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%C3%B0unn ! which I do believe I sent this story to Mr. Fenn not long ago.

    I also leave the ‘wild man’ in my area apples each time I go.

    Of course, ‘Anger’ may also be derived from dangerous. Arrogance, anger, cleverness to a fault.

    Sigh….So many things to work on in myself.

  34. lifesablaze says:

    Gwanc – Welsh – meaning avidity, greed, voracity, hunger. “I got mine attitudes make me mad”.

  35. pdenver says:

    Thank you for the links, lifesablaze.

  36. lifesablaze says:

    I STILL maintain that some anger is justified. The lies we are told, the rape of Earth, self-absorbed cell phone ‘robot people’………..women who leave their feminine products in my Temple. All of this will reach a flash-point one day. So, I will pray 22 “teehees”. 🙂 https://www.manataka.org/page495.html !!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dogs

  37. Onuat says:

    And so the reminder,s begin….
    Happy Holiday,s Jenny and Forrest.
    Stay safe and warm everyone…

  38. Woody Bogg says:

    A picture speaks a thousand words. Forrest speaks 13 of wisdom. Happy holidays forrest.

  39. The Wolf says:

    JDA- I enjoyed reading your “Crossing Over – What if” article. I found it quite thought provoking, and one of the most original pieces I have read in quite some time. It was a breath of fresh air to read something that spiritually creative. I think most people found it interesting as well based on the number of comments. As far as Seeker’s negative feedback, I wouldn’t sweat it, he is hard wired to find holes in anything. Trust me, Mr. Fenn could deliver the solution himself tomorrow and he would have a list of quotes a mile long refuting it! {lol}. Keep your head up!
    Well done, and thanks for the smiles!
    The Wolf

  40. lifesablaze says:

    A dangerous desire : http://www.livescience.com/37578-cesium.html


    I am certain many don’t understand my reasoning, which is OK. I yam what I yam. I have to have a sense of humor, else I would just cry all the time. This muse….

    My heart can barely contain all of the Beauty.: https://www.brainpickings.org/2010/11/02/cedric-pollet-bark/

    Then there is this: https://www.google.com/search?q=david+maisel+black+maps&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiv6o-OpNfNAhVK6YMKHbLnCfwQsAQIMQ&dpr=1

    Peace to All.

  41. ACE says:

    Cookie jar! I’ve had my fill. Anybody else want some? Sweets have always been my weakness. Hahaha

  42. Michael Koen says:

    Made my 2nd trip in my search. In the 1st I found the blaze-almost drove right to it-there are 2 graves on the bluff within 30 yards of the blaze. I only have 1 lung and copd to boot and did what searching I could and left and went home.
    I went back into the book and found the last clue I had missed and was able to confirm that clue on google earth (that it could exist in the area I was in) and made the 2nd trip last weekend but could not make it back to even the blaze, snow was drifted 3 to 4 feet in places so will have to wait until next May.
    Anyone can find a map to the area-it’s not hidden or old but you will need a map to follow the trails that you can drive on and you will need a good 4×4.

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      Michael, remember that Forrest said that he used his sedan when he hid the treasure.
      Are you sure your road fits that detail?

      Congrats on being one tough dude, to never give up like you are doing.

      • Michael Koen says:

        That does bother me-while I did go in one way that was pretty narly it is possible to go in another and swing around the mtn I did not go that way as I was going to 6 bucks 50 cents and took the shortest way.
        I was really surprised to actually find the blaze on a tree at that spot-I thought the blaze was something else that I could see on google earth, and a damn porcupine almost threw me off where it had chewed some bark on another tree but it was on the reverse side of a close tree and when you look close you can really see the difference.
        What drew me to this area was the fact that back in 76 I worked on a wildcat oilwell as a hydrocarbon mud logger (I analyzed everything we drilled in and mapped the well out) and when the rig had drilling problems I would go out exploring looking for arrowheads and when I first read about the poem I kept saying to my self that it sure sounded like a place I was at before and while I came close to this spot I was within 20 miles and that’s what got me started-the rest I got from the book.
        Maybe Forrest and I are a lot alike, I too have a lot of common sense but never did like school, I loved to travel but it was always on a shoestring mostly hitchhiking (hell I had 26 states before I got out of HS) I have been able to do just about any job that ever came along and while Forrest was into old Indian sites and such I spent a lot of time looking for gold when I could (I hold the record time in NC for speed gold panning) and while not a pilot like Forrest was I do have some flying time and I an rebuilding a old 1942 Taylorcraft atm.

  43. Jacob says:

    I wanted to throw this out for everyone to discuss. I have my own solve, which I could not be more confident in, but I still find myself thinking about “what if”… So here’s what I’ve thought. I started looking into Quaking Aspen trees, not only did ff comment on these trees in his scrapbooks but the trees have many odd similarities to phrases in the poem. First, Quaking Aspens turn bright colors in the fall, perhaps this is the blaze? Next I found that one group of Quaking Aspen trees all share the same root system, “in the wood” as in a singular tree that looks like many… or maybe not. But third, these trees are called “Quaking” because the slightest breeze makes them appear to shake or quake, on many sites they compare them to the sound of “several butterflies fluttering their wings”… could this be what “hear me all and listen good” could refer to? And the reference to the butterfly or flutterby in TTOTC… again, just things to think about. If this helps you to indulgence, please send me a little for my imagination. 🙂

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      It’s too bad trees don’t talk.
      We could ask them:
      “Have you seen Forrest?”

      • Buckeye Bob says:

        Seriously, though, I think the idea of the roots of an aspen tree system being “in the wood” is kinda interesting.
        I’ve been looking at trees recently myself.

      • Jacob says:

        Lol… That is funny bob. There are a lot of interesting things about them. The largest grouping of this kind of tree is in Colorado I think. I believe it is a few hundred thousand years old. So to say that it can’t be in the woods just because of the wild fires can’t be completely dismissed. Imo. Although, my solve is a completely different line of thought.

  44. ROLL TIDE says:


    Not trying to knock your solve or anything but, I would think that trees of any type might not be the best choice for “the blaze”, for the simple reason that they could be destroyed by a forest fire.

  45. Jacob says:

    Hey this is not my solve by any means, just thinking. And Good point roll tide. However, quaking aspens tend to dominate in areas where there are fires as they grow back quickly

  46. JL says:

    As I lay my head down to sleep and pray to Jesus my soul to keep, Im gonna ask that he tells FF parents to give him a good paddalin if he makes it that far, too give him the good wood. Enough that he will have to go down to WWWH and cool his posterior off in the creek.

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      While I can understand that, JL, I just hope Forrest is with us to see at least one more turn of the leaves. Hopefully more.
      He says to save our biggest smile for when we open the chest. I’d like to see his smile when the row bracelet is returned.

      • pdenver says:

        Your words made my eyes a little misty, Buckeye Bob. It would be nice to see someone return his bracelet to him in person and witness his expression.

        • Michael Koen says:

          I thought about that but there isn’t a Fenn Gallery anymore, so where is an address for him?

          • Buckeye Bob says:

            You can send snail mail to him at the address for the publisher in the front of the book.
            He also listed that address for himself once in a post somewhere. I double checked it because it sounded familiar, that’s how I know.

  47. Jacob says:

    You have bring it to him in person. This would be once in a lifetime stuff if you were wise enough to find it. I agree Bob and truly hope he gets the chance to explain just how great his work is. I have to believe he would love to meet the finder and know that it was found. Otherwise why would he continue to give clues. As he has stated, he’s not good at taking a back seat.

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