Weekly Words from Forrest Fenn for December 9th, 2016

thrill of the chaseA complete list of weekly words from Forrest Fenn can be found here:

Weekly Words from Forrest 

Weekly words for December 9th, 2016 are as follows:

*Hopefully, finding the treasure will offset many days of disappointment. f

Best of luck with The Thrill of the Chase and all that you seek! Treasure the Adventure!


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189 Responses

  1. JDA says:

    Were I to be lucky enough to find the treasure, I am not sure that I would be able to remember any disappointing days. For me, I can not remember having more fun, in my 74 years, as I have had in he Chase. What FUN, what a THRILL – Thanks Forrest for giving us your gift of the CHASE! JDA

    • Patio says:

      Just remember to somehow get word to Forrest that you’ve found it. That way the rest of us can have a more restful holiday. Heavens sake after all this, I for one hope it’s found sooner rather than later. This chase has ground to a snails pace.

  2. Hunny says:

    I have to agree with JDA. The disappointing days are all part of the journey. For me some of the best times are those that I struggle with finding a solution. To just sit and think, and reflect and try to figure out what it all means. That’s what this is all about! It wouldn’t be any fun if it was easy! 😃
    So THANK YOU Forrest for this amazing journey!

  3. paul hunter says:

    Good words FF..

  4. The Count says:

    Never disappointed in the chase especially when I’m in the Rockies!

  5. ROLL TIDE says:

    Yer killin’ me Forrest …

  6. Jdiggins says:

    For, without disappointment, there cannot be knowedge of pure joy…

    Thank you Jenny and forrest!

  7. The Wolf says:

    So are the many days of disappointment from Mr. Fenn’s perspective or the finder’s?

    • Stonerolledaway says:

      From a searcher’s perspective, I immediately thought of Dal taking Barry Petersen along for one of his hunts. The interview with Dal was part of a story on CBS Sunday Morning. Barry asked Dal if he was getting discouraged (after his ~70 unsuccessful attempt), and Dal said “No, there’s nothing to get discouraged about!” The challenge of trying to figure out Forrest and find a solution to his puzzle, coupled with exploring places in the Rocky Mountains that I’ve never seen before, is exhilarating. As others have said, I can not remember having more fun.
      If this statement is from Mr. Fenn’s perspective, I hope at some point it will also ring true.

      • Hunny says:

        I know that it will stone. He worked on this with patience for a VERY VERY long time. It will pay off! For I believe there is much more to this treasure than meets the eye.

    • Mindy says:

      Probably the finder’s. What if there’s a stipulation inside the chest (can’t remember if he’s said anything about that yet), like you have to use whatever monetary wealth you can on something other than yourself?

      Or what if the autobiography is not what many expect?

      But probably means as it reads…finding the treasure chest can only come after failing… at least, that’s how it’s played out so far…

      When I first parsed the poem and studied word origins and meanings, I found that many of the words of the poem have meanings that pertain to anger and judgement.

      For example, “If you are brave,” has one meaning of: “”If you’re boiling, raging mad…”

      I’ll have to go back to those old notes and look at them again…

    • Strawshadow says:

      Wolf, good question, maybe both. The beautiful thing about the Chase is the people involved. I’m sure Mr. Fenn has only been disappointed by a very small minority from what I’ve witnessed. Like art dealers from back east you learn who to trust and who not to trust and hopefully limit your disappointments. I know I’ve been disappointed twice in the last few years, never with Mr. Fenn, the chase or the vast majority of the people I’ve met. Once was a nice big trout that threw my fly.

  8. DPT says:

    This should spur some of us along.

    Thanks Forrest and Jenny.

    • ROLL TIDE says:

      Indeed. But, enjoy the fireworks before leaving.
      And, who is this “Hopefully” ?

      • Spallies says:

        You know RT that guy who is forever optimystic…. “Hopefull” Lee… 🙂

      • ROLL TIDE says:

        I say that because a spur is an offset and spur = fireworks.
        I’m calling a meeting today with the voices in my head and firing every one of them, it’s gotten to where I can’t even enjoy a bowl of Lucky Charms without seeing a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow . . .

        • Dpt says:

          Nice catch roll tide!! You are a smart one.

          Fire works. Blaze effort:-). Haha. just havin fun! Unless pinwheel is in your solve.

  9. 23kachinas says:

    There would be no Rumi without Shams. And so it is that loss, grief and pain are also part of everlasting poetry.

  10. Bailey says:

    When heading home empty-handed after a fun treasure hunting trip, I’m always disappointed, often elated, but rarely discouraged. The weather here in GA is starting to feel like the Rockies. You guys stay warm and have a dynamite weekend!!

  11. JL says:

    Finding the treasure always offsets the disappointment but the pinnacle of success lies in the discovery of the chest.

  12. E.C. Waters says:

    The word “hope” is literally a hint, or insinuación. Hope and disappointment are also both sueño, or slumber. I believe this weekly words post is pointing to Piedra Lumbre, the clou for I’ve done it tired (Firestone), and now I’m weak (week, many days, and calentar).

  13. Ramona says:

    Thank you Jenny and Forrest. These words will likely only ring true for one finder or a team of finders. Which is all the more reason to invest our happiness in the thrill of the chase rather than the thrill of the find. I can’t remember any disappointments when I’m in the mountains. And the Rocky Mountains surely aren’t disappointing. The only disappointment I have is not being able to spend enough time in the mountains.

  14. Sparrow says:

    Thanks Jenny and Forrest! I know there are just a few people on the blogs who are taken seriously due to their being “in the know” regarding the search.I made a comment at that time but don’t think anyone took it seriously. But I wanted to share something I noticed today that could be a re-emphasis on a point made two weeks ago. Two weeks ago this appeared:

    Don’t ever let Desire for the treasure lure you into a Dangerous situation. f

    At that time I posted that there are 3 D’s in the sentence: Don’T DesirE DangerouS. Forrest has (3) ducks (see Scrapbook 146). When he purchased these the man said “they come in sets”. The word SET appears if you spell the three D words in the quote backwards.

    Today’s quote says:
    Hopefully, finDing the treasure will offSET many Days of Disappointment. f

    There are (3) D’s and the word SET appears. This may be pure coincidence and so could be very easily tossed aside,
    but I thought I would share it just the same. I know it’s very possible I will be seen as a quack—–but that’s OK with me.

    • astree says:

      These are very thoughtful words – thanks, Forrest and Jenny.

      I see it, too, Sparrow. Lots more … a skip 13, starting with the N in treasure, gives NUMA (a 9000 ft peak in MT), or starting at the next letter D, DRAP / D-RAP (drop, or PARD).

    • Jeremy P. says:

      The only problem with connecting the two, Sparrow, is that last week’s words were new and this week’s are from the original list, so it’s hard to say one has something to do with the other. Otherwise, where do the ducks go in winter?

      • Kedar's Mom says:

        It doesn’t say anything about where they came from, except the obvious f. Maybe Jenny can give us an answer. Unless I missed that and that could have happened, I haven’t had enough coffee this morning.

      • Sparrow says:


        That is very true—-thank you for pointing that out. It really gets my goose that I didn’t think of that! Very good
        point. People—please ignore the post I made above about D’s and “sets”–that’s what happens when you’re
        “winging it” in the midst of so many intelligent people. 🙂

      • Hunny says:

        I know where there the ducks go in winter now. 😊

      • Moonshadow says:

        Hi Jeremy,

        How do you know that last week’s words were new?


        • Jeremy P. says:

          Oh, haha, I just went and looked. It was the week before last’s that were new. The one that Sparrow quoted was from two weeks back (“Don’t ever let desire for the treasure lure you into a dangerous situation”, 11/25). It has a comment from Jenny mentioning that it wasn’t in the original list, versus last week’s which does not have any comment to that affect. Pay no mind to me.

    • Iceman says:

      Sparrow –
      I think you are on to something but take that concept of sets and think how it might apply to weekly words. I think the last 3-4 make up a set.

  15. The Wolf says:

    I hope no one ever sees me dancing on pianos with sunflowers in my hand. Then I know the disappointment has gotten to me.

  16. Hunny says:

    I see this message as a cautionary tail.

  17. Hunny says:

    Oops! That was supposed to be a reply to Sparrow. Sorry about that wolf. Lol 😬

  18. Sparrow says:


    That really makes me feel “down”. I guess my post doesn’t fit the “bill”. But waddle you do if I no longer
    post here huh? 🙂

  19. Illinosghost says:

    Yeah, more than 300 of them lol..
    Thanks Forrest and jenny

  20. Strawshadow says:

    Thanks Jenny and Mr. Fenn,
    Lots of sparks, tangents and asterisks flying around. Hopefully, our daily ante is worth the price of admission. Being American reminds me that each day we have a choice, and we should never be disappointed in knowing that. BLAH was never meant to be the point.

  21. ROLL TIDE says:

    Whenever “Hopefully” finds the treasure, s/he is gonna set off many days of disappointment.
    Not for me though, I’ll just go find the Lost Dutchman’s mine. It can’t be any tougher than this one !

    • Strawshadow says:

      Roll Tide,
      I looked for that one with my father when I was but a lass. I have it from a trusted source that the Dutchman has been had. No one will ever know for sure though.

      • ROLL TIDE says:

        Ain’t that a hoot! My dad actually loaded up six kids and my mom into an old beat-up station wagon and away we went to find that thing. Apparently, he had some inside intel and knew exactly where to go!
        We camped out in the desert and as a kid, it was really cool. Until he got the car stuck. And it took us three days to get it Unstuck. Water running low. Mom slams her thumb in the car door . . .
        Ahh, those were the days 🙂

  22. pdenver says:

    Thank you for this week’s “Weekly Words,” Jenny and Mr. Fenn. I greatly appreciate it.

    • Stonerolledaway says:

      I have a bit of a sinking feeling that I spoke out of turn with some of my previous comments to you. If this is true, Wolf, I apologize. I meant no disrespect.

  23. Jake Faulker says:

    Offset = Mirror

    • ROLL TIDE says:

      Yes, it does, so treasure has to mirror disappointment.
      disappointment = fortune, misfortune, and reversal of fortune.
      Therefore, what is the upside?
      Switch it around, and find the word on the other side of the mirror now.
      treasure = ?
      A word that connotes disappointment.

      • Jake Faulker says:

        treasure = Worthless

        I was not thinking in that window but it fits & with all the mentioning of mirrors.
        I have been in the “offset” business for many years & it’s all about reproduction from a mirror image.

  24. Jdiggins says:

    I am reminded of a time…
    I was 5. I came into the kitchen through the back door with the dining table to my right. Nothing on it but a small jar of candy. So, I ate it….all.
    Just as I was returning the empty jar to the tabletop, my mother walked in. I felt busted! But she was smiling. “Did you just eat that,?” I think she was laughing under her attempt at being stern. I just quietly loozed up and nodded in shame. Then she did laugh as she told me what I just ate. Fish eggs!

    • pdenver says:

      First taste of caviar? 🙂

    • Mindy says:

      Oh, that’s awful to think about…but funny… we do funny things as kids…lol 🙂

    • Sparrow says:

      caveat: a warning or proviso of specific stipulations.

      caviar: what jdiggins mistakes for candy.

      • Jdiggins says:

        Ha ha! You guys are a riot! Caviar…never have EVER eaten anything from the water since! Ever not never! 🙂
        I haven’t told the story about the Rocky Mountain Oysters….
        The caveat…
        Be careful what you wish for indeed!

        • pdenver says:

          You won’t eat fish, but you’ll eat Rocky Mountain Oysters??? What a woman! Mind telling your story with experience with Rocky Mountain Oysters, please?

          • Jdiggins says:

            I thought they were little hot dogs…
            The youngest of four, a little pig, and the butt of the joke at the end of the night…

            Yeah, no more deep fried hot dog bits for me…no thanks!
            Liver either…

            Favorite candy?
            Candy corn
            Candy hearts.
            Me like sugar.

            But, we’re gonna get in trouble here pd! 😉

            • pdenver says:

              Why in trouble? It was an honest question. I had wondered what you thought it tasted like. Some say they like it and others don’t. I could never be so bold unless I was tricked.

              Mentioning liver brings up a memory of a stunt my family pulled on me. It was chicken livers to be exact, which I do like with a sprinkling of salt. My family gave me a serving with a glass of Tropical Punch Koolaid. I started eating and sipping the drink and thought it had a strange taste. My mom and step-dad assured me it was all in my head. I continued to eat and drink. After it was all said and done, the family started to laugh at me and told me they had spiked my Koolaid with vodka. I don’t drink and I can tell when something has alcohol in it. I can laugh about it now.

            • Jdiggins says:

              Trouble for straying off subject…tehee! 🙂

              I only drink when I’m nervous… 😉

      • Jdiggins says:

        Me like candy…

    • JL says:

      Mine was not candy……….either

      I was very young maybe two or three at most. I was in a restaurant somewhere in Texas, it was hot and the waitress had brought ice tea and taken the order. There was a pickle on a side plate and I kept telling my dad I wanted that pickle and he kept saying no. This went on for a few times finally he said you want that pickle you got it and gave me the pickle, upon the first bite the pickle turned into a jalapeno pepper. That is the story of how at a very young age I learned to be careful for what you ask for.

  25. ROLL TIDE says:

    You didn’t find it a little fishy that there was a jar of candy right there in the open?
    Sorry, someone had to say it 🙂

  26. Mindy says:

    Isn’t “offset” a printing term?

    Sorta like “justify?”

    • Jeremy P. says:

      It’s from “offset press”, a type of printing press that has a plate that holds the ink, which is transferred to a rubber blanket, which is then pressed against the paper. The transfer from plate to rubber blanket (instead of straight from the plate to the paper) allows you to keep the plate constantly inked. The image burned into the plate gathers ink, while the non-image areas are kept wet (oil and water don’t mix). The rubber blanket keeps the paper dry. Source: I used to run an AB Dick 360 printer back in the day.

    • Ms. Girl says:

      Yes, in the old days they offset the type on a hand press with the Printing press letters that were square plates with letters and numbers. The word “Chase” has a definition of something to do with a printing press and also, in old notes taken about 5 to 6 years ago; a chase is the bottom of a cannon if I am not mistaken. I should go back and look up those definitions I found and introduce my old ones to the weekly words. Hello still in the chase, Ms. Girl…. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. What a wild year it has been losing Randy and Forrest having to slow down and still indulgence has not been retrieved. See you all in the funny papers!!!! God bless us all in these troubling times and Jesus is the Reason for the Season!!

      • Jeremy P. says:

        Those were “letterpresses”, a different type of printing than “offset” printing. Source: In school we had to set those forms, and it was a big pain in the butt.

        • SDawn says:

          Jeremy, never had the dubious pleasure of either letterpress OR offset printing, but did small production runs on a mimeograph. Maybe easier than physically setting the type line by line, and there was something about the smell of the mimeo ink and the quiet ka-chunk, ka-chunk of the drum turning as it grabbed each sheet of paper. After that came computer typesetting via writing your own formats (mainframes and no icons like only Apple had back then, lol, it was line command and DOS based).

          But thank you for reminding me how much fun there was in hands on document production; we can put out a good looking document now a lot faster, but it’s just not as much fun when you just click on a submenu rather than sit down and measure picas and points and plan for fancy drop cap blah-blah-I’ll hush now, cuz this is SO off-subject – Jenny, I apologize for running off on a tangent like that.

  27. SL says:

    The songs of majestic mountains, peaceful deserts, cleansing waters and a peaceful sky, will forever be felt in those hearts who have listened….. and are grateful.

    Like us ~

  28. LMN says:

    Did you just rewrite the Weekly Words? I think that you did a wonderful job of saying the same thing…from the opposite perspective.

    Weekly Words = *Hopefully, finding the treasure will offset many days of disappointment. f

    “The songs of majestic mountains, peaceful deserts, cleansing waters and a peaceful sky, will forever be felt in those hearts who have listened….. and are grateful.” SL

    You should be an author!

    • SL says:

      I want to thank those who have been touched by my feelings and thoughts. It’s your collective embrace and kindness’ which gently prompt such expressions. A heart nourished by good will is a strong…heart.

      Thanks for being just who you are.


  29. Kim says:

    Don’t be disappointed! Love always wins!

  30. Fenngshui says:

    To a gambler, the wins can offset the losses.

    • Hunny says:

      I understand the concept, but never had enough practice to get good. I always lost my shirt! Now chess, that’s the game to play! It’s all on the board and you can play the game many moves ahead because you can see what the opponent has to work with. Maybe poker is like that too, once you understand the rules.
      And yes I know “Life is a game of poker……………..and all that. Guess I need to figure out those rules!

  31. Mike Forni says:

    Thanks Jenny and Master Fenn!

    *A Message From The Other Side…..

    To the searchers who are content with seeing the trees, streams and beautiful skies above, you will not find the treasure chest. It’s the person who puts their “heart and soul” into the Chase and is “crushed” with each failure, but finds a way to pull themselves up by the bootstraps. If you are satisfied with an empty backpack, then it shall stay that way. Adversity is the key to imagination and creativity. Stay vigilant my friends! I believe the winner will be among our people.

    Stay Safe!

    • Hunny says:

      Yes, Thank you Master Fenn.
      It seems the students still must have things to learn but they appear to be ready and willing!

    • OH! says:

      Mike, Is this your message or a message from Mr Fenn?

    • Lia says:

      Mike, while I appreciate your viewpoint and am in agreement that someone who has put their heart and soul into finding the box of golden rocks is more likely to find it if it’s recoverable legally… Its been my experience that adversity in life or on this chase serves only to divert my energy and attention away from being creative. Adversity may prove character and provide friction to make one strong, but it sucks the life out of creativity and the fun out of life.

      • Mike Forni says:


        You make an interesting point. I agree adversity can lead to toxic results. We all react differently to different situations. Sometimes we overcome adversity and sometimes we don’t. I try to stay positive and send positive messages. I try to take negative situations and turn them to good. Much easier said than done. I also agree a “team” work environment on this website will bare the most and finest of fruits. I hope this helps.

        Your Friend,

        • Lia says:

          Mike, that’s great you are hard wired to thrive on adversity. I’m not. After 3 years of throwing my heart and soul into the chase, putting teams together online or in the field…and ‘overcoming adversity’ thrown my way be family, friends, and fenn, I’ve had enough chase related adversity for a lifetime. It’s far more enjoyable to “no longer care” about the box of rocks. I’ll truly be happy if anyone ever recovers the box. My positive attitude/energies are better served in loving people. Sincere and warm wishes to you and yours for a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, or whatever you celebrate.

    • Iron Will says:

      Well there Mike… that sounds like me! Funny I should say that, because….. 😉

      • Mike Forni says:

        Iron Will,

        Hahaha! You crack me up! Does the Master look through the bushes and take a peak now and then (and participate on) the blogs? I think so…. 🙂

        Under what guise? Not sure on this part…. I know the Master has an “iron will”, he loves West Yellowstone and speaks highly of trees…. Wait a minute??? I think I just made a connection!! Hahaha, I am not telling!

        Happy Holidays Iron Will a/k/a…. !

  32. Hunny says:

    The instructions are difficult and must be carefully deciphered so there is bound to be some disappointment. But I’m like Sparrow and just “wingin it” 😜

  33. Geoff Idaho says:

    This is great!..”lure”, “plan”, and now “offset”…
    I got one of them wrong recently, and felt really silly afterwards.
    Safe searching, everyone…may we all find Contentment this season!
    “Have flashlight, will travel”

  34. locolobo says:

    off topic-
    I’ve tried on two different computers to get into Dal’s site…… Get same message every time–“page can’t be displayed”??? Anyone else having same prob or know what’s going on???
    (hope I don’t have a “bug” in my system that’s preventing me)
    Thanks in advance……loco

  35. Geydelkon says:

    Stay warm and safe everyone.

    ” An Indian Scout and A Saint”

  36. Onuat says:

    Linguistics. 😀

    • SL says:

      I’ve sensed that The Flyer has a very special connection with the Boy and Girl Scouts of America. – ( Cub and Brownie Scouts being the most junior of the Organization.)


      I was a happy Brownie as a child, and we were often referenced to as being……”Elfs. (Some might find the words to the above song from an early Brownie Songbook a bit interesting).


      • pdenver says:

        Hello SL. Thank you for providing the link. It’s a cute song and reflects a positive image of those who look at themselves, from the inside out. My oldest daughter was a Brownie for two years. While she was doing so, I was studying and organizing activities to become a Daisy leader, but there weren’t any little girls who wanted to join at the time. I’ve always wanted to be a Brownie, but my family couldn’t afford it. What is your fondest memory while you were a Brownie? In regards to Mr. Fenn, did he bring any of the Cub or Brownie Scouts to San Lazaro? I remember he had children there, but I don’t recall who they were.

      • SL says:


        The post I made on the December 2nd topic/thread at 12:44 PM today has some Wyoming information I think you might enjoy reading, as well!

        You would have made an excellent Brownie – Sharing the experience(S) with your daughter seems a wonderful bonding opportunity! Insofar as Brownie memories go; it helped influence the good I would hope to accomplish in life. ( My cousin kindly passed down her uniform to me when she moved on to the GS’s. I had a responsibility to do well, and hope I did).

        Will try finding some of that information that you’ve requested, my friend.


        • pdenver says:

          Hello SL. Thank you for your kind words. I greatly appreciate it. I believe you’ve carried out your responsibilities quite well, my friend. My daughter and I had a great time when it came to selling the cookies. She asked if I would bring the order forms to my customers, which I did, and in return, was able to help out other girls accomplish their goals and fieldtrip. Don’t remember where they chose to go. I believe my daughter wasn’t able to go because we already had Yellowstone reservations at that time, but not positive. It’s been about twenty-five years ago, and my memory isn’t as youthful as it use to be.

          I’ve just started making holiday goodies and decided to take a moment to check here. I’ll be sure to look into the places you listed on December 2, 12:44 p.m.. I briefly read the post. Looking forward to learning more later this evening.

          Gosh, you don’t have to search for that information about the children at San Lazaro, my friend. I thought perhaps you may have remembered. I keep thinking I read it somewhere, but where is the problem.

          Just took a moment to see if I could find where I read it and this may have been the one I was thinking of: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/margie-goldsmith/2-million-santa-fe-treasu_b_932299.html

          Thank you for your help, my friend.

  37. astree says:

    Greetings, Spallies.

    Spallies wrote: “HOPEFUL LEE”

    There are at least two ways to pull LEE out of these words. Of each word, (starting with “the”) 3rd letters give EEL/ LEE (and also ELF – seasonal – by extending to “offset”). Amazingly, for those same words, last letters also give EEL/LEE . 4th letters (start with “finding) give
    DAL’S YS. Some first letters give
    FT, TWO and last letters YS FT.

    I do believe that hope is associated with finding the blaze and treasure.

    Happy Holidays,

  38. astree says:


    This refers back to your discussion several weeks ago, the various psychology-based perspectives on “I”.
    The “hopefully” of these Weekly Words is separated from the other words by the comma. It is 9 letters long. Following “hopefully” and taking every 9th letter, we get
    “FEW TO I”
    Which “I” do you think that could be?
    Happy Holidays,

  39. astree says:

    The word “offset” is also interesting, in several ways (some having been mentioned by others in comments above).

    Offsetting the letters of “offset” itself by 1, gives “neerds”, which contains some directly applicable information, if you break it down.
    DAYS offsets to LIGA (league) … many searches have driven many leagues in their searches.

    • ROLL TIDE says:

      For starters, I consider you to be some kind of E.T. or a genius. Not sure which, maybe both?
      I have no clue how you do what you do and prolly don’t want to know , as it puts pressure on my head trying to keep up with you.
      But, I was struck by your LIGA(league) above, as I posted a thread over on Jenny’s new forum :
      “Kaw-Liga was a wooden Indian…”

      So, your post was like deja-vu, all over again 🙂

      • astree says:

        Thanks, Roll Tide. I’ll check into the forum and review it. Interesting.

        • ROLL TIDE says:

          For the most part, when I post something, I won’t elaborate on what I feel the relevance is. I’ll say just enough to throw the idea into the mix and set back and see if anyone picks up on it. After all, this is a treasure hunt, you don’t show all of your cards.
          One meaning of “league”, is to wed. The term “meall” was brought up on another thread, after I posted Kaw-Liga so, I took that opportunity to show that meall can mean “to wed”, marry.
          If two people know a secret, they are “in league” with each other. I have found that everything about the Chase, is in league with something else in the chase. To be in league is to mirror.
          To be “in tight focus with” is to be in league with.

          Now, has anyone given any serious thought to the two omegas that are in league with one another?

          • JL says:

            Sure, there are lots of meanings to A and O but which is applied the proper way? Now in FF’s case I can think of about a half dozen but only one mirrors a searcher.

          • Afana says:

            R.T. To answer your question Goody Two – Shoes

          • astree says:

            Hi Roll Tide,

            Thanks for explaining your method of commenting – makes sense. The “league” aspect is interesting. Sometimes, I wonder at the meaning of the two omegas, and whether they are even directly related to the Chase. There are all kinds of guesses, ranging from literal to highly symbolic (and lots in between). I don’t believe it’s necessary to know, though, to work the puzzle.

      • JL says:

        Oh no not the one wooden Indian, it’s hank and hank jr. country boys can survive. Red necks and then there’s rednecks. What is the V for?

  40. JL says:

    I have always gotten an eerie feeling when I hear this song, Hank put something extra in this one. I always wondered what the maidens name at the antique store is, I now think her name should be Indulgence.

    • pdenver says:

      Thank you so much for your kind words, my friend. Your heart continues to shine through. That’s a nice photo of Mr. Fenn with the Wooden Maiden. It was really nice to reread the story.

      • SL says:

        Most welcome!

        I’ve posted something over on Jenny’s December 2 Topic that I’ve wanted to share, (12 -11). I hope my friend will enjoy it,!


  41. ROLL TIDE says:

    I’ve seen f use the word “hank” a few times.
    hank = clew, whorl, twine, turn, jungle, jam, froth (remember the story about the old man who sold the comic books?), twist, and several others of interest.
    Liga also = cigar.
    Forrest said the wooden maiden was good at keeping a secret.
    The original Kaw-Liga statue was purchased from a car dealership. Cigar is synonymous with auto-dealer. Cigar also = bookstore.
    There is a lot to be found in the story of Kaw-Liga for anyone willing to do the research. Marvel Comics even makes a cameo appearance.
    I’m not saying any of this is chase-related, just see a lot of coincidences and this popped up in my research.

    • JL says:

      Thanks roll tide I will look at it some. The song has intrigued me for decades. My father used to tell me some crazy stories about Hank, I guess he used to go watch him play and sing.

  42. lifesablaze says:

    Some word meanings –
    Hope = Elpis in Greek mythology daughter of Nyx (rolltide: nyx = claw. Also type in Nyx disambiguation and see where that takes you!). Hope was considered to be a negative is an extension to suffering. Elpis was the goddess of fame and rumor. She is often depicted with a cornucopia. In Hesiod’s “Works and Days”, Pandora presents a jar (not a box) to Epimentheus which contains all of the evils of the world. Elpis remained under the lid of the jar and did not fly away.

    “Only Hope was left within her unbreakable house,
    she remained under the lip of the jar, and did not
    fly away. Before [she could], Pandora replaced the
    lid of the jar. This was the will of aegis-bearing
    Zeus the Cloudgatherer.”

    Nyx is also worth researching. Her home is in Tartarus where we find the Golden Apples. Interestingly, I dissected the word disappointment to =
    DISA revealed an amazing variety of information: http://www.apple-iigs.info/logicielsgoldengrail.php where I find connection to the golden apple.
    DISA: http://www.acronymfinder.com/Defense-Infrastructure-Sector-Assurance-Plan-(US-DoD)-(DISAP).html
    DISA: http://plants.usda.gov/core/profile?symbol=DISAP now this particular plant is interesting in itself because it is both chasmogamous and cleistogamous. I will let you attach your own inferences to the survival stratagies of the plant by using both an open and closed “marriage” to reproduce.
    OCCU. DISA: is an astronomical term for an occultation (usually by the moon) of a bright object causing it to briefly disappear. https://astronomynow.com/2016/12/10/see-the-moon-hide-aldebaran-in-taurus-on-12-13-december/
    Aldebaran is the Heart (or some say the eye) of the Bull.
    The occultation of Aldebaran can be connected to the above hemlock rosette grass’ mode of reproduction, as well, if you study the mythology of the star.

    I had a dream that my bead box was stolen and I couldn’t create. I woke up this morning thinking about the Pleiades. We shouldn’t talk too loud about little lightning rocks. 😉

  43. paul hunter says:

    Jenny,can you ask FF if there has been the same one person stood less than 250 feet from the chest,more than twice in one season.Thanks.

    • JC1117 says:

      That’s a great picture, Wolf.

      I love fireworks. I got into trouble making my own a few times…many moons ago.

      Here’s an interesting explanation of how aerial fireworks work…from “lift charge” to “break”.


      Or is it “break” to “lift charge”?

      I guess it depends on how you read it.

      • The Wolf says:

        JC117, thanks for link, and I certainly know what you mean, I almost blew my hand and face off making homemade fireworks. I used to make gun powder as a kid. My mom said she was all embarrassed to by me salt-peter at the pharmacy for some reason.

      • Hunny says:

        Thanks for sharing that! Interesting read this morning. I never knew all that. “Heavy” loads?

  44. Just an update for everyone. I will be taking my journey to the chests EXACT LOCATION in the first week of January. I’m overwhelmed with emotions as we speak. As MANY have attested to, but failed to understand it’s (the poem) meaning. I have and without a doubt can pinpoint it’s exact location and look forward to uploading the “first to find” pics, here on Jenny Kline’s site. Mr. Fenn…..if you are looking at this response se, I must say………your bracket might cost you Mr.Fox

    • JC1117 says:

      Good luck to you, Steven.

      You make it sound like you really know where it is.

      Well…time tells all tales…but dead men tell no tales.


      So you be carefull out there. It’s not a very good time of year to be oot and aboot in the Rockies. 🙂

      Btw, that’s Canadian for “out and about”.

      Keep us posted. Thanks for sharing.

  45. Sparrow says:

    I thought you had said you were going to retrieve it this month, mid-month. What happened? Also, it is a
    bracelet, not a bracket. And it is actually Jenny Kile, not Kline. The first week of January may be a little
    cold—but wish you the best. There is an old rock band called Humble Pie—for some reason your post
    made me think of them. Oh well, be sure to wear a heavy jacket.

  46. HeadedDown says:

    Just like his “revenge” message, if you dont feel this way, then its not for you. You are not the “you”. Tick tock. Tick tock.

  47. ACE says:

    The following is AIMO and my opinion only.
    Collected thoughts of a madman…
    I reach out to you 1 last time. Yes one like my name that has traveled through these pages like the chameleon.
    It is exactly one week today that I helped save a friend of 20 years life and nearing one year since my mother passed away. Although most my features take on my fathers image it is my mothers very caring HEART that I was fortunate of. She is missed by me greatly but she is never far away. So this is why I post. So here me all and listen good for this is the LAST effort I will bring to the table. Any posts hereafter will not be to advance the Chase.
    Alternate universe!
    Just like a fine Christmas dinner I will be serving the meat and potatoes, but it is up to you to bring the appetizers and dessert.
    Many people will tell you that the Chase is a hoax… let’s get beyond that. So what else? Now we have a man that is just doing it to be remembered. Well don’t we all in some way and offering up a million+ and creating an adventure for all I say he is deserving of that without question. But, yes but I feel that only the bronze jars are for that purpose. That may be hard or impossible to wrap your head around but I feel it to be true. This is why. The poem is not just about Forrest it is about ALL of us. He is only one story. The journey has been before him and will go long after him. What he has done is put it in a perspective and into words from something he has discovered. The box is his offering and incentive to get us off the couch to Discover it ourselves. Like the people before me, I too have made my footprint in time and too will others beyond me. We are all just temporary custodians right??
    So here is your serving…
    Alternate universe!
    NFBTFTW… childhood. Whether it is your parents or an older brother like(Skippy) they are there to support you and guide you. Remember the long ride home.
    No place for the meek… Your journey through adulthood. Let’s face it, much of it was truly a tough one for Forrest and unless your handed the silver spoon will be one for you as well.
    As you get older your struggles become more difficult hence NPUYC.
    No matter what our time will come and in the end will be our footprints, our journey. The recordings of our life. The BLAZE, the PLAYGROUND!!!
    When I look back at parts of my life I regret little. This Chase has given me an opportunity to right those minute infractions. I could go on and tell you I feel I understand Forrest’s message (nearly) completely and I am confident where the chest is but what does that matter that would only drive you further and laughing all the way. So I leave it at that…
    Hope that’ll help but nobody much cared for my moms cooking. Like Hansel and Gretel the oven is nice and toasty especially this time of year, but I’m sure I can still find my way home.
    Like I have said before I am a complicated individual and even my wife of 10 years now still scratches her head from time to time.
    My gift to you… Merry Christmas!
    P.S. The photo of this weekly words looks like a fitting BOTG day to me.

    • Hunny says:

      ACE, I thought this a fitting song to go with your PS.
      Hope your having a good evening!😊

      • ACE says:

        Yes indeed! Yes indeed!
        My fingers are nervously drumming, but I’ve yet to bite my nails to the quick.
        However, there is much spring cleaning to do before that event can take place. I am very meticulous and I never forget to clean both sides of the window. It’s quite easy actually there is a flip lever that allows easy access.

        • Hunny says:

          Haha! I like that ACE!
          Good luck! 🙃

          • ACE says:

            I had read one of your earlier posts. Yes in chess you must look ahead in order to be better than the opponent. At a younger age my brother used to take me to the chess club quite often and I will say that I am better than average. My brother is the true Chessmaster in our family. I have the ability to look about two moves ahead, but he can see five. He worked his way up all the way to the top of expert level just below masters. I am the poker player as Will Ferrell would say the semi pro for I still have my day job ha ha. Here’s one for you though I once played at a table with the worlds worst gambler. For three hours this man could not lose. However he was elderly and had a hard time seeing and stood up to see the cards on the table each time he would expose his hand. People at the table and the dealer themselves warned him of it and yet he still did the same act over and over. I felt bad and was glad I was completely card dead that day. Although he had insurmountable odds against him, he still left a big winner that day for when he was behind every time he hit and when he was ahead it forced everyone to fold. Ha ha Sometimes even when you show your hand you still come out ahead.
            Enjoy your journey.

  48. lifesablaze says:

    The Chase, well the POEM in particular is like a house. A house with many doors and windows and the rooms are full of interesting things to learn, look at, taste, smell, and dream about. Anyone can enter the house, no one is excluded and you may sit and stay as long as you like. ANY topic you care to explore can be found in the house. All you need to do is open the front door and walk right in. If you choose, you can wander from room to room and check out a little bit of it all or you can just absorb everything that is in one room and look at the wonderous world outside the window. The only rules of the house are no violence and clean up after yourself. Other than that, you are free to choose what you want to experience in the house. It won’t be a conventional education that you receive but it sure won’t be boring. Snuggle down by the fire if you like and make a nice tea, you are all welcome here. And if you can’t quite make it to the house…well Mr. Fenn has brought it to you.

  49. Point Foot says:

    Thank you Forrest and Jenny! It is always a pleasure to read your words and to see all the intelligent and entertaining responses. I’d have to say if I were to be so lucky and find it that it most certainly would offset a number of disappointing days. Those days will always remain a part of me but it would likely become much more difficult to wipe the somewhat permanent smile off my face. I have to imagine that would be true for anyone. It has been a spectacularly fun adventure thus far and I can only imagine what will be in store for the eventual finder when they finally surface with the prize.

    • JC1117 says:

      I agree, Point Foot.

      It has been quite an adventure. It’s always nice to get out and listen to the wind and smell the pine trees.

      Of course, it’s always nicer when it’s warm outside. The blogs are a nice place to hang out during the winter months.

      If I was to ever find the treasure I wouldn’t know whether to laugh or cry…but knowing me I’m sure I’d cry…although I’m also sure a smile would be waiting in the wings.


      • spallies says:

        Yes, its time to hang out on the blogs and stay indoors by a warm fire…:) But, I was brave and in the wood today and went out in the woods to cut down our Christmas tree… We’ll not exactly the WOODS, it was a tree farm and my husband cut it down 🙂 Did have to walk pretty far, but not too far and it was COLD, but worth the effort…
        Happy Holidays everyone!

      • Point Foot says:

        Hi JC1117,

        I believe you are right… there likely would be an outpouring of all kinds of emotions for the one who eventually finds it.

        I have fond memories listening to the wind and smelling the pine and fresh air in my past adventures. It’s hard not to enjoy the places I’ve been even while focused on the hunt.

        I definitely enjoy it better in the warm weather too and I know the perfect spot waiting for me to return to next season.

  50. lorna says:

    I thought I had it, but I didn’t.

  51. pdenver says:

    I haven’t signed up for the forum at this time, but would like to respond to jl in regards to the amber stone, please.

    jl, this information may give you beneficial information in regards to the stone and what to consider when designing your necklace:

  52. Jacob says:

    I need the help of my fellow searchers… I have been trying to find ff’s comment about being able to see the blaze if someone was 12.5 ft away from it. I’m sure I’ve seen it before but I cannot find where. Please help. 🙂

  53. Point Foot says:

    Hi Jacob,

    I believe scrapbook 78 on Dal’s site has that quote:

    “Second, I have not said that a searcher was closer than 12’ from the treasure. It is not likely that anyone would get that close and not find it.”

    • Point Foot says:

      Of course he doesn’t say the person who manages to get that close will absolutely find it on the same trip. No one will stumble upon it. So can someone be at the retrieval spot and still be 12′ away? Or can they be at the right spot and within 12′ and still not find it?

      My guess is the searcher will have to be confident and know they are at the right spot in order to find it.

      That’s my 2 cents anyways…

  54. Iceman says:

    Imagine traveling across the country all the way to the right spot. You get within feet of the treasure. But you don’t realize how close your were until you get home. Then you have to wait until spring 6 months from now to make the same journey to try again. It makes you want to kick yourself.

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