Nature Makes Her Own Rules, says Forrest Fenn

elementsMr Fenn, in relation to the final resting place of the chest, which of the 4 natural elements (Earth, Wind, Water, Fire) would mostly compromise it resting? ~ James


I know what the question is. I don’t think earth can hurt it, under the right conditions wind might affect it, it’s probably already wet, and look at what fire did to the twin towers. Nature makes her own rules, James, so I try to not be absolute when talking about her.



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44 Responses

  1. Jenny Kile says:

    Thanks Forrest and James. Interesting Question and Answer! Wouldn’t you all say? Off top wonders….

    So the Chest is probably ‘already wet’? Does that mean ‘snowfall’, ‘dampness, or other?

    Wind might affect it? How can wind affect it? Block an entrance by blowing a tree down?

    Fire? So is the Chest somewhere a ‘fire’ could happen?

    Earth? no issues?

    love it! Will be thinking about this…lol….

  2. Lia says:

    Interesting post. I wonder if the four elements have more to do with the solve than just preservation of the chest.

  3. jdiggins says:

    Mother Nature is magnificent. If she chooses to claim the chest, she will. However, she has a strong contender of mystery in Mr. Fenn, perhaps he has outwitted her…so far.
    Wind could be a factor….no shovel needed…hmmm

  4. djjmciv says:

    This is nothing new. Forrest has already said years ago a earthquake wouldn’t topple it over (so Earth no). He said many times it’s surrounded by trees and fire could affect it (so fire yes). He has said in the past to a reporter that it does it rained/snowed on (so water yes). Wind is a interesting one, can’t seem to figure that one out.

    On the already wet comment. I find this interesting that a few weeks back Forrest said it might be best to hang up the search until after winter. And now he’s saying it’s probably already wet (snow?). And since there is little to no snow in New Mexico, this could be further evidence its not in that state (Although Forrest emailed me back on this and said I was reading too much into things)

  5. Forrest Fenn says:

    Don’t be too confused by my wind comment Jenny. Tornadoes are wind and there aren’t too many landscapes that they can’t change. I’ll admit there aren’t too many tornadoes in the Rocky Mountains, but they do occur once in a while. f

    • Jenny Kile says:

      🙂 Oh you keep me thinking! I do just love it….the mystery, the challenge, the chase, with both mind and body. It’s perfect.

      • T Jones says:

        Jenny, was walking through your listening exercise with you earlier and must admit…. Can’t agree with your 19. I gotta go with twenty as written. T Jones

    • djjmciv says:

      Well….shoot. Here I thought there might be some substance in that comment.

      Is it safe to say to just don’t even bother listening and analyzing anything Forrest has to say (from Today Show to recent)?

      Just read the book and poem?

    • djjmciv says:

      Yet how can I resist!!

      “aren’t too many landscapes that they can’t change” – one can assume Forrest is talking about the clues in the poem here.

      So a tornado can affect the clues. Now can we assume that he’s not talking about the blaze since its not feasible to move it, so could the blaze be solid enough that a tornado wouldn’t be able to move it as well?

      Though I do seeing a tornado taking out the “home of Brown” and a small enough creek.

    • E* says:

      Forrest – Yes,…unexpected tornadoes,…or microbursts,…as it were,…in late August of 2010,…no less:

      You weren’t there hiding the Bronze Chest, then,…were you??? 🙂

      • E* says:

        Forrest – Your cousin, Chip,…probably thought it was just another fighter jet buzzing the tower at Yelllowstone Airport,…but then he remembered you no longer had your pilot’s licence 😉

        “A few people said it sounded like a jet plane at take-off.”

    • Chris says:

      Forrest, can you recommend a good book on fly fishing (in calm conditions!) for the barely-above-novice? Also, if you were standing next to the blaze, could you touch the location where you hid the chest with the tip of your fly rod or would you need to cast? Yes, I realize this is almost like asking how long is a piece of string!

      • E* says:

        Chris – I found this statement from Forrest,…right here on Jenny’s blog,…to be telling:

        You may as well ask me if I love the air. I don’t know but, I certainly am an appreciator of nature. “Leave no trace” is a rhetorical statement not intended to be taken literally. For instance it is not feasible for you to not leave a footprint somewhere or a dry fly snagged high on a tree limb, left by your back cast. But I agree with the philosophy of the phrase. I dislike seeing beer cans scattered around when I am fantasizing that I am the only person who has ever been in that spot.

        I know I will be looking for that dry fly snagged high on a tree limb. 😉

        • Lia says:

          Good luck with that E*, Do you think spraying bear spray in a grizzley’s eyes violates ‘leave no trace’? thinking about hiking the helmet or bear basin. May roll the dice and throw myself at the mercy of nature. Perfect weather for enjoying a great hike. Out of steam for the chase. Life is short, the mountains are calling.

  6. Helen says:

    Hello, I am sorry to say that I don’t really understand the original question. What does “compromise it resting” mean? Is James asking which of the elements will make the chest move? Which of the elements can damage the chest? Mr Fenn, in plain English, what do you think the question was that you answered?

  7. John says:

    It wouldn’t take the winds of a tornado to compromise the resting place of the chest. Commonly strong winds could blow sand, leaves, or even tumbleweeds over the resting place of the chest, hiding it from view.

  8. Seeker says:

    Mr. Fenn, Is the Chest sealed in any way? Maybe (for example) similar to the wax used to seal the olive jar, for protection, Or any other means. Thank you.

  9. Ed says:

    Strong winds could blow and knock a tree down maybe dislodge some rocks, one never knows. Although I presume those rocks would have to fly through the air to get to chest because well….

  10. Glenda says:

    I think he said fire could burn down the twin markers. Your quest 2 cease. Wooden poles on either side of something??

  11. George Grado says:

    Wind might blow some rain into the cave so yes possibly. Wind and rain.

  12. Mark J says:

    I would like to make a wild guess that the elements are more likely to affect the searcher than the chest. Just my opinion.

  13. Indy says:

    Its disheartening to know that Forrest emails some people back. Apparently I am still sitting at the kids table……..guess Ill go out and play hide and seek with them 🙁

    • Jim says:

      Don’t be too discouraged. He has emailed be back and I’m more confused than ever. Getting the wrong answer to the wrong question doesn’t get anyone closer to the treasure.

    • William says:

      I found out the Forrest loves to chat just not about the treasure maybe your questions are directed towards the treasure

  14. James says:

    Thanks Mr Fenn. Perfect answer! “I know what the question is.” Here’s mine… ” I know what YOU meant!” (By your answer) laughing I’m sure.

  15. the Wolf says:

    Kansas has plenty of Tornadoes. Just don’t let your dog out during one Dorthy!

  16. Lia says:

    Wolf, pretty sure I saw Dorothy flying over Wyoming clicking her heals chanting, “There’s no place like treasure…there’s no place like treasure.”

  17. locolobo says:

    Thanks for the twin towers & fire hint…. (not chase related, but God bless the souls that were there)

    By the way, old son. Do you like scratch biscuits?? And real gravy? Not those packaged mixes, but the real ones like your Mother made?? Come on down!! I have them pretty regular, served straight out of the cast-iron skillets. Biscuits with real butter. Worth the trip!

    (and I promise not to ask where the chest is!! 🙂 ) …………………loco

  18. astree says:

    Although, any of those natural conditions could also occur in my backyard … or my brother’s in Ohio.. or my Mom’s in North Carolina .. Hmmm, maybe better to concentrate efforts on the pristine puzzle, as suggested by djjmciv ?? ( but, so true, how to resist )


  19. The thrill says:

    There is a lot of scenario the fits the 4 elements of nature under most condition but I agree with it must be wet by now, with my latest search I witness a cave from previous search that was dry and now with erosion cause water and debris to fill in the cave alittle so a short summary this really don’t help me cause I’m looking for the fifth element 🙂 bronze

  20. OH! says:

    Maybe it is in a vertical cave where he has the chest noosed to an Iron grate and the gale winds move it around as it enters and exits the cave?

  21. GeoJack says:

    One question, was where Indulgence was placed modified or “prepared” for the placement or were you able to just put Indulgence in place without any additional action on your part?

    Love the Chase, 10k miles and counting.

  22. GeoJack says:

    Well, Forrest responded to my email, posing the question above.

    “Can’t say Rick, sorry. Good luck anyway. f

  23. 911 twin towers was nothing we lost a lot more in D-Day.

  24. The Wolf says:

    The fifth element?
    “Forrest talked about the four elements at mysterious writings:
    Mr Fenn, in relation to the final resting place of the chest, which of the 4 natural elements (Earth, Wind, Water, Fire) would mostly compromise it resting? ~ James

    I know what the question is. I don’t think earth can hurt it, under the right conditions wind might affect it, it’s probably already wet, and look at what fire did to the twin towers. Nature makes her own rules, James, so I try to not be absolute when talking about her”.f

    From a logical stand point, just as the penny is the missing coin in My Spanish Ty Factory, perhaps there is meaning to the missing element?

    The number 5 (nickels, etc) have been mentioned by Mr. Fenn for quite some time. Many are unaware there is a 5th element which is better know as aether (ether) or quintessence:

    Aristotle also noted that crystalline spheres (CRYSTAL) made of aether held the celestial bodies. The idea of crystalline spheres and natural circular motion of aether led to Aristotle’s explanation of the observed orbits of stars and planets in perfectly circular motion in crystalline aether.

    Aether is intransitive “to burn, to shine”; which doesn’t take a leap of logic to link to “the blaze”

    • E* says:

      The Wolf – Great insights about the crystal blaze! Hey,…did you see this movie,…speaking of “The Fifth Element?:

      And a reminder that E is the fifth letter of the alphabet. 😉

    • The Wolf says:

      On the topic of “aether” which is the fifth element, also though of as the type of wind I earth would run against in space. It was thought that the speed of light varied as it propagated in the aether but the Michelson-Morley experiment proved the ether did not exist. Why is this important? Because Einstein went on to explain in his special relativity papers that the speed of light is a constant and the time actual dilates as we accelerate toward the speed of light.

      Fenn has mentioned Einstein in a few of his aberrations. How is it all connected? Is that mis-spelled ‘doller” actually a hint to “E” as in E=mc^2. He recently used ww=2 – is this the equation that holds all the answers?

  25. HappyThoth says:

    Fire Earth Wind Water.. FEWW.. FE VV VV..

    “Come we to the pauca one, or shall the Phoenix BLAZE?”

    • HappyThoth says:

      Sloane No.3329
      Q. – How Long is the Cable rope of your Lodge?

      A. – As Long as from the Lop of the Liver to the root of the tongue.

      • HT says:

        shall the Phoenix BLAZE?

        The goal of phonics is to enable beginning readers to decode new written words by sounding them out, or, in phonics terms, blending the sound-spelling patterns. Since it focuses on the spoken and written units within words, phonics is a sublexical approach and, as a result, is often contrasted with whole language, a word-level-up philosophy for teaching reading.

        9 clues

        3 triangulations (eureka!) delta delta delta

        1 Triangle

        We three, to hear it and end it between them.
        Fery goot: I will make a prief of it in my note-
        book; and we will afterwards ork upon the cause with
        as great discreetly as we can.
        He hears with ears.

        hear me all

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