Featured Question with Forrest Fenn on the Thrill of the Chase Treasure Hunt: Hot Chocolate

Hey Forrest, you said we could retrieve the treasure in any season. Well in winter, would we need a snowmobile to get to the spot? ~scout around

Scout around, if you need a snowmobile to get to your solve please stay home and drink hot chocolate. f



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464 Responses

  1. JDA says:

    Thanks Forrest and Jenny – Sounds like good advice to me – Yum-Yum – JDA

  2. Copper says:

    With Baileys in it! And it’s “snowmachine” Forrest….or “sled” if you’re really hip to be square.

    • pdenver says:

      I must not be hip. I call them snowmobiles.

      • Copper says:

        Oh yes you are!
        Also, thanks Jenny and Forrest.

        • pdenver says:

          I think I still live in a time where sayings were simpler and understood. It’s amazing how language has evolved over time. Snowmobiles vs. sleds. Sleds to me are what my sisters and I rode on snowy hills. My husband and I have three wooden sleds, and people look at those like they’re dinosaurs.

  3. Phocion says:

    Since Yellowstone NP is only accessible by snowmobile in the winter months, does this effectively rule out the park as a search area?

    • Brad Hartliep says:

      Well, to be honest, the Major has said many times not to search in Winter – but some of us are too hard headed to grasp the meaning of one or two of his messages in time ..

  4. Scout around says:

    I’ll have a margerita diggin gypsy aka scout around

    • TTR says:

      Thanks and Kudos dg for sending in that Q. Did your original Q differ, did you send many in?

      Is the question above the same you sent in or has there been changes to it?

      Never hurts to ask~Thanks

    • pdenver says:

      Diggin gypsy, did you really change your name to scout around? To me, you’ve always seemed quite proud of being called Diggin gypsy on the blogs.

    • Zaphod73491 says:

      Diggin’: as you and others have noted down below, the original statement from Forrest was not that he could retrieve the chest in any season, but that he could retrieve it in any weather. A subtle distinction. Personally, I think the general location of the chest is accessible year round (except perhaps during a heavy snowstorm that temporarily closes the road). Since I think it’s likely that the chest is in a location that can become buried in snow, we as searchers would have little chance of finding it under those conditions. But Forrest still could because he knows exactly where he hid it. So I think Forrest’s advice is good: if your search location is covered by even a few inches of snow, it’s probably a waste of time to be searching then.

      • Diggin gypsy says:

        Is that what he said we could retrieve it in any weather I can’t find the exact quote But then still the treasure would not be on no backroads that are closed for winter had to be a easy access area all year round

        • Zaphod73491 says:

          Hi Diggin: the exact quote is: “*If you know precisely where it is you can probably retrieve it in any weather” Weekly Words (Posted Dec. 11th, 2015) But since nobody but Forrest knows “precisely” where it is, it’s a bit of a throw-away line. But I agree that a sensible conclusion to draw from this line is that the treasure chest location is generally accessible year-round.

          • locolobo says:

            Hi Zap,

            Agreed, no one knows but Forrest. So why, after several years of cautioning people not to “search’ in the winter, would he tell a searcher the following:

            This from a searcher who states that Fenn knew they were going to Montana in February, and there was lots of snow:

            I asked if someone had a 100% solve, should they wait until Spring?

            His exact words to me were, “No, if someone knew where it is exactly, they should get it now. f”

            The said searcher posted that on March 2, 2015, nine months BEFORE he said- ““*If you know precisely where it is you can probably retrieve it in any weather”

            If that searcher composed those words themselves, nine months prior, that would have to be the biggest coincidence to date, in this game.

            So, I respectfully disagree, it is not a throw-away line.

            The one person who knows where it is located, is telling us to go and get it in February, in probably any weather….it is accessible any time.

            And, he still cautions, to this date, about ‘searching’ in the mountains. It ain’t in the snow, as he told diggin’ and at least one other that I know of.

            • crimsonblazeblog says:

              There’s a difference between searching and a 100% solve which makes the statement an obvious clue but only to someone who knows where it’s at right? Can you define accessible for me loco willie?

            • zaphod73491 says:

              Hi Loco: the reason I feel it’s a throw-away line is that I don’t believe the poem’s clues will tell you “precisely where it is”. So when Forrest says to go get it if you know precisely where it is, I think he’s really saying you cannot possibly know precisely where it is because my poem’s clues don’t provide the location to that level of precision. It’s like his metal detector line: that a metal detector would be useful if you knew precisely where the treasure chest is located. The conditional is never satisfied, therefore anything that follows never applies.

              • Eiseley says:

                Zap (GCG here), I agree 100% with your assessment of these two comments. Throw away may be too strong since a clear understanding of them helps a searcher more clearly relate know the bounds of the hunt but it doesn’t provide much more definitive info than this…

                Can you share the reference concerning the poem and its commas here?

                Thanks again for your gracious contribution to the search community – My wife is like, “why would he do that???”

              • locolobo says:

                Well Zap, sir, I am not going to debate whether or not the Poem can take one precisely to the chest, or not; although o do think it is possible, when viewed from a certain perspective.

                And, I’m not going to argue with the guy who hid a treasure chest and knows precisely, exactly where it is…..especially when he tells me: If I knew what he does, that I could probably go get it in any weather, even in February.

                Nice chattin’ with ya! I thought you were more open minded? 🙂

                • zaphod73491 says:

                  Hi Loco — I guess I’m not sure in what way I’m being close-minded? I am open to hearing ideas as to how Forrest could use his poem to direct a searcher to a spot with a precision of, say, 5 feet. Much more than that (and under 2 feet of snow), a metal detector would be of no use. Not even GPS coordinates can give you 5-foot precision, so even if he secreted coordinates in the poem, that’s not going to help you find the precise spot the chest is hidden if you can’t visually spot the chest.

                  There are few places in the Rockies above 5,000 feet in February that aren’t buried in snow — and most of those are eliminated from consideration by Forrest’s ATF remarks. (No caves, no tunnels, not under a manmade structure.) So I’m looking for an example of a place that Forrest could hide the chest wherein it would be retrievable in the Rockies in February.

                • locolobo says:


                  Nope, I’m not a coordinates, nor math, guy.

                  “I am open to hearing ideas as to how Forrest could use his poem to direct a searcher to a spot with a precision of, say, 5 feet.”…..Now you know I ain’t gonna do that! 🙂

                  “There are few places in the Rockies above 5,000 feet in February that aren’t buried in snow “…..I agree with that 100 percent

                  “and most of those are eliminated from consideration by Forrest’s ATF remarks.”…..Agreed. Mebbe there are ATF’s that everybody hasn’t found yet?? 🙂

                  “So I’m looking for an example of a place that Forrest could hide the chest wherein it would be retrievable in the Rockies in February.”…..You know there is absolutely no way I’m going to offer that!! 🙂

                  Merry Christmas, Zap….you’re one of the few that is thinking….IMO

                • JC1117 says:

                  Hello, Zaphod73491 and Locolobo.

                  I certainly recall Forrest having a chat with the FBI…but I don’t remember him having a conversation with the ATF.

                  I’m not following your mention of Forrest’s ATF remarks. ???

                  Perhaps I’m not up-to-date on all my acronymages…like “sleds”…for example.

                • zaphod73491 says:

                  JC1117: (A)fter (T)he (F)act. Declarative statements made by Forrest subsequent to writing TTOTC, many of which serve to eliminate certain areas from consideration.

              • Lugnutz says:

                Zap –

                Dal doesn’t believe the quoted portion that Mindy provided? OR he doesn’t consider this verifiable unless Fenn sends it to him directly?

                I cannot agree with that and I am surprised you can.


                • zaphod73491 says:

                  Hi Lugnutz: I actually don’t know what Dal believes as far as this email snippet; if I had to guess, I’d say he probably gives it very little credence. I personally think it’s legit (mostly because there would be little to be gained by fabricating such an email).

                  When I wrote that I understood Dal’s reason for requesting that I not provide the ChaseChat link, that had nothing to do with the content of the email, but rather the website owner.

                  Have a very Merry Christmas up in the Windy City!

                • resa says:

                  @JC117 I think their ATF refers to “after the fact” comments.

                • Eiseley says:

                  Lug and Zap,
                  The email quote: “commas … … as clues” – I would agree that commas themselves in the context of this email don’t provide specific directions or specific clues in themselves however punctuation in the poem is not random and plays an important part in solving the clues.

                  So the commas are NOT clues but they can play into clues…


                • Lugnutz says:

                  Oh, ok, if he does like links to chase chat etc that makes perfect sense.

            • Jdiggins says:

              Agree loco…to further…I don’t think it is wise to throw anything in the poem. Nor out…not even time.

            • Valerie says:

              Find the ein/tin bank numbers in the poem, go directly to the vault with a set of 3 numbers. Warning, you must solve the complete puzzle first to know which ein/tin/bank/trust numbers apply and at which bank. May be connected to someone’s tail number from an airplane wreck. Laugh all you want. It matters not.

            • ace 340 says:

              Loco-It ain’t in the snow, as he told diggin’ I don’t think Forrest ever said that. g

          • Chesney says:

            Would you “bet the farm” that it’s not humanly possible that someone haslocated the treasure chest, but hasn’t returned to retieve It? I sure would like to hear about the person that went back

  5. Crimsonblaze says:

    Why, thanks 🙏Forrest, you are really just a big marshmallow arnt you?

  6. Buckeye Bob says:

    Yup, that’s good advice.
    Stay safe, people.
    Merry Christmas!

  7. Thanks f
    Merry Christmas to you and the family

  8. Jdiggins says:

    Retrieve the treasure or get to your solve…

  9. pdenver says:

    Thank you, Jenny, Scout around, and Mr. Fenn for the “Featured Question”. Different ways to consider this one.

    • pdenver says:

      Chocolate/Brown. It fits one of my ideas, but not sure just yet.

      • OH! says:

        This reminds me of page 123 in OUAW. He mentions George Dabich and chocolate and the word “chocolate” is in the Shoshone National Forest area of the pages map background.

        • pdenver says:

          Hello OH! Thank you for posting this. It is true that he mentioned “chocolate” in his new book. If memory serves me correctly, he has also mentioned “hot chocolate/chocolate” in other posts on Jenny’s, as well as, over at Dal’s in a scrapbook or so.

      • OH! says:

        Better yet, If we zoom in on page 123 in OUAW, you can read Pyramid Peak. Since the book map background is smaller than the google earth image I attached it to, I wonder what is under the word “chocolate”? https://ibb.co/dfQKpm

  10. Chesney says:

    Merry Christmas to all of you! Tis the season!

  11. out and about,anywhere in the rocky mountains,you will find,collections,experiences,use your senses,hear,sight,taste,smell,(ears,eyes,tongue(taste buds).and nose.with your face,body movement,balance,our body is nature,you mirror yourself,by all this.me,myself and I,am one.but yet many things.better as a teen,as when we get older we loose alot of this.mr. forrest your killing me,I just keep coming up with all kinds of stuff.where is experience on the map.I have walked the rocky mountains,as a youth and adult,I got experience through what I have learned with my senses and body.I hid a treasure,only I know where it is.I ain’t telling,but i’m telling in a poem if you can find my clues.hows willie doing?

  12. Iceman says:

    Hot chocolate it is.

  13. Ramona says:

    Well, I stayed home and had hot chocolate this morning. Thank you Jenny, scout around and Mr. Fenn. Not going to pretend like I know what it all means.

  14. JC1117 says:

    Mmmm…hot chocolate…twist my arm! lol.

    I don’t have a snowmobile anyway. Besides…if you drink enough of that “precious drink” you can “walk for a whole day without food”. That’s what Montezuma said. (Moctezuma?)


    Sounds good to me. I’ve been making my hot chocolate the consistency of honey ever since I was a kid… 🙂


    Now I only dream of having that much energy.

    Thanks, Jenny and Forrest…and Scout Around (SA?)

  15. voxpops says:

    Is dreaming of the cessation of our quest, hot chocolate steaming in hand, sweeter than the cold reality?

    Emily Dickinson wrote this:

    Did the harebell loose her girdle
    To the lover bee,
    Would the bee the harebell hallow
    Much as formerly?

    Did the paradise, persuaded,
    Yield her moat of pearl,
    Would the Eden be Eden,
    Or the earl an earl?

  16. Madesquare says:

    The harebell is always ringing- even in winter.

  17. Iceman says:

    The word “chocolate” is interesting. It’s derived from Spanish meaning “hot water”.

  18. voxpops says:

    Grief and gratitude never hibernate.

  19. LMN says:

    You have to wonder how quickly ff comes up with these replies that you can read so many ways and ultimately they take you in circles. For example, does this clearly say that you would not need a snowmobile -or- clearly say that if you “need” a snowmobile, that means you don’t have a snowmobile, so you might as well stay home? Very clever!

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      Or you can rent one, but he’s saying you might as well stay home if that’s what you need.
      Such a quandary, eh?
      I think I’ll go write my name in the snow. Maybe I can read that like tea leaves or something.

  20. Scout around says:

    I think we can clearly mark a lot of areas off in west Yellowstone because in winter u need a snow mobile to access a lot of areas Almost all back roads esp ones with gates So if he said we can access indulgence in any time of weather or however he worded it. Has to be a easy access point

    • pdenver says:

      This is really strange to me. I cannot see the Diggin gypsy I’ve read for years ever saying this. She has West Yellowstone in her blood.

      Again, this is an opinion, offered as a thought.

    • locolobo says:

      LOL!! Thanks for the question, ‘Scout around’!

      Seems like I’ve heard something like that before?…..

      Diggin gypsy on March 2, 2015 at 7:25 pm said:
      Mindy Go read the intrepid searcher story I did same as you more than once. Then he told me when we were looking with dateline in the snow . You can’t find it in the snow . So if your spot was in Montana in the winter it had to be a spot with easy access to the spot with no snow

      Due to that remark, and several others made to searchers,I’ve been in complete agreement with ya for some time..

      Good luck to you…and the sisters!

      Forrest, I think it went over most of ’ems head….again?

      • pdenver says:

        New Mexico?

      • pdenver says:

        Maybe one needs a set of rabbit ears or a good tower to get rid of the snow or static. Electric Peak? Rabbit Ears Pass? Tower Junction in Yellowstone?

      • Jdiggins says:

        But not all. 🙂

      • Scout around says:

        He did say that and then he also has said we could find it in any weather then when I was searching in the snow on one of my first searches he told me not to give up to keep looking in a lot of snow I think he says not to look in snow now because to many people have gotten hurt. A safety factor. He always said if we knew where it was we could go straight to it so I just needed to know if I needed a snow mobile lol 😂

        • locolobo says:

          LOL!! Well digging, if he’s told you both: you can’t find it in the snow…and…to keep looking in a lot of snow,

          then how can you know that a snowmobile is not useful?? O_O!

          Next time you asked the question, he might say…yeah, go ahead!!

          • Diggin gypsy says:

            I know right what the heck I’m so confused 🤷‍♀️ maybe he watches the weather of where it’s at ohhhh this week u need one next week u don’t lol 😂

        • Lifesablaze says:

          No, DG all you need is a 1961 Jeep International with a special license plate. Mine’s personalized.

          I’m going to drive it to Charlie Brown’s house and ask him how he managed to single handedly kill the aluminum Christmas tree.

          Never doubt the scout.

    • Jdiggins says:

      DG, you are the epitome of “never give up”! 🙂

  21. Strawshadow says:

    Thanks Jenny, scout around and Forrest, scouts like sound advice. Much like Elle Woods’ college counselor famously said, “Harvard won’t be impressed that you aced History of Polka Dots.” And we all know the rest of the story. ”Tis the season and a Merry Christmas to all.

  22. the Wanderer says:

    I hear you loud and clear Wonka.

  23. Jdiggins says:

    Merry Christmas one and all!🌲🕯💌

  24. Afana says:

    Mr. Fenn, I’m chillin with my hot chocolate.

  25. Lifesablaze says:

    Skadi’s view is all encompassing and her song can bring an avalanche. She follows an aurora of prismatic light. Pulled by the eternal instinct, she is drawn through the corridor once again. Take a breath – then push! The Dragon sees her feathered cap and waits for Her eye to align. The bow is drawn and the arrow true. Time holds its breath and watches her union. Her ecstasy showers the Earth with a quiet grace which goes unnoticed by most. But there IS one that still keeps Her temple.

    She doesn’t need a snowmobile, she’s got skiis! Never doubt the scout.

  26. JDA says:

    I have read this post over, and over, and over. It seems far too simple for it not to hold some secret truth. It MAY be simple advice to “Stay at home and drink chocolate” during the winter, but I doubt it.
    Why did he say “Get to your solve” – instead of “Get to the TC? Doesn’t make sense to me – Does it make sense to anyone else? “Stay” = keep
    “Home” — reminds me of hoB – “Keep hoB?” makes no sense – JDA

    • Jdiggins says:

      My thoughts too.
      Maybe it does make sense.
      Maybe Clark Gable is associated with the home of Brown.
      Maybe I need some chocolate.

    • Diggin gypsy says:

      There’s no hints I don’t think he just saying ya dont need a snow mobile to get to the spot so stay home

      • Ken Joyce says:

        Christmas Present… There is a hint which is not obvious, on a scale of one to a hundred, it would have a hard time reaching a one. He sprinkles a few 100’s within a bunch of ones. Forrest is very sly.

    • Jake says:

      Makes perfect sense and it’s a big hint. Surprised nobody has taken it for what it is yet… that’s all I have to say about that Jen-nay.

  27. Amber says:

    Whiskey goes better with hot chocolate.

  28. The Wolf says:

    Hot chocolate is a British band once lead by Errol Brown who sang “You Sexy Thing.” Now is he talking to you Digg’n (Scout Around) or is this an Errol thing? We have had Errol Flynn before, listen good and we get “Air all Fly’n.” So maybe we are to go flying at the home of Brown?

    The Hot Chocolate song “(I believe in miracles) You Sexy Thing” was featured in the movie “Rat Race” and “Dude, Where is my Car?” Well we know it was left in the parking lot at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. I like that place, there is a nice bronze wolf pack https://tinyurl.com/y98s3kw3 and paw prints there but where did the bullet go, or is this all just another rat race?

    • Jdiggins says:

      Wolf…nice to see u back. 🙂

    • Diggin gypsy says:

      Well I am a tad of Swedish lol 😂 Swedish Swiss miss lol 😂

    • Copper says:

      Nice Research Wolf!

      • The Wolf says:

        Thank you Jdiggins! Just thought I would stop by.

        Cooper: the theme is is similar to “stay home and play Canasta” The poem tells us to “hear” and “listen good” so play a song by “Canasta” who are a band that sings “Just a Star” which I am sure many have now seen the link to the cover of his new book. Something I have been talking about under the cloak of my website for a while now.

        • Passenger says:

          Hi Wolf. Hot Chocolate is also a band (British Soul Band from the 1970’s) Errol Brown is the lead singer. Famous songs are “Eyes of a Child” and “A warm smile”
          I’m sure there’s a song about stars, Clark bars or Walmart in there somewhere! Kidding….

          IMO, Unfortunately I think it’s a bit more mundane. Hot chocolate soothes inhibitions and Canasta is just a card pastime; can you believe it?

          • pdenver says:

            Hello Passenger. I like your post. Another thought or connection for hot chocolate and Canasta may be the word “meld”. Canasta deals with melds. When thinking of hot chocolate, some people put something on top whether it be marshmallows, whipped cream, candy cane, etc.. These things melt into the hot chocolate, which creates the “meld”. Just a thought to consider, but it may be incorrect.

            • Strawshadow says:

              As long as were mixing ideas, I thought Amber’s timely track was interesting. For the kiddies though nothing like a couple of virgin Snowshoes to warmly refresh the seasons spirit.

              • pdenver says:

                Gosh Strawshadow, you lost me again. I took a peek at Amber’s post and see whiskey. Being that I don’t drink, I wouldn’t know people would put that in hot chocolate. It’s the latter you spoke that lost me. Would you be so kind to explain, please?

                • Strawshadow says:

                  Two Snowshoe tracks placed in fresh snow look like two peaceful teardrops. A Snowshoe cocktail is Peppermint Schnapps and Wild Turkey. A wild turkey is a Tom. A Tom’s turkey tracks looks like two peace symbols without circles or teardrops. A Peppermint Patty is hot chocolate and peppermint schnapps and also a Charles Schultz character with Charlie Brown. Peppermint Patty was the character who called Charlie Brown Lucy. Lucy means as of light, born at dawn or light. A Peppermint Patty is also a round chocolate covered mint Patty. Two Peppermint Pattys look like two giant Oreos. Oreos were once packed in gold and mean tasty or beautiful. So to meld this all together and answer your question pdenver, there’s nothing quite as peaceful as a comical stretch of the imagination, wrapped around a refreshing pair of tasty indulgences, just ask any kid:)

                • pdenver says:

                  Hello Strawshadow. Thank you for the explanation. One being called “Charlie Brown” from my parents since I was little, if I recall correctly, Peppermint Patty called Charlie Brown, “Chuck,” being a nickname for Charles/Charlie. 🙂

                • Strawshadow says:

                  Good catch pdenver, can’t slip anything by you. I should have tucked Lucy in with her tomboyish appearance.

                • pdenver says:

                  Strawshadow, although Lucy may have been a tomboy, she wanted to be/was a Beauty Queen.

                • Strawshadow says:

                  Lucy, the queen, in the sky with diamonds.

          • The Wolf says:

            Passenger, that was the Hot Chocolate I was talking about in my initial post (see above my Canasta post). Play is not in the context of playing the game, it is in the context of listening (play the record).

          • Jdiggins says:

            Another nickname for Charles is Chas/Chase!

    • pdenver says:

      This song will always make me laugh, and perhaps feel a little embarrassed. Ever have one of those songs where you “think” you know the words to it, and to find out you’re wrong? This song is one of those for me. To think when I was singing this song as a teen, and had no idea I was wrong, then be corrected by a family member and laughed at my blunder.

  29. delayah says:

    Don’t forget your extreme cold weather gear. The weather changes in the rockies instantaneously. I’ve seen it happen a few times near Ft. Carson, down range. In the mountains and in the desert.

  30. half a pecan says:

    I think this one’s about the herbs and spices FF talks about in SB49 at Dals
    ( http://dalneitzel.com/2013/11/15/scrapbook-forty-nine/ )
    and in OUAW.
    Forrest stay’s home because it’s blustery outside, and then talks about hot chocolate in the entry on nutmeg.

  31. ace 340 says:

    The question asked, the spot? your solve, covers all. g

  32. Iceman says:

    Scout Around –
    I think f might be telling searchers to forget the snowmobile. You need to work on your solve. Hot chocolate increases blood flow to the brain. Do it. You are running out of time. My opinion.

  33. crimsonblazeblog says:

    It is just another warning to not overextend yourself. Deep snow uses gas faster out of a snow machine, If you are not careful you get too far back and then run out of gas miles from where you started. Know a few overconfident fellows that happened and if they had not found shelter in an old cabin they probably would have found a different outcome. Fortunately for them, a search party found them late the next day. One fellow tried walking out and the snow was up to his 6’6″ frame he decided real quick that he was not going to make it and turned back. Another to this day is scared to get too far from where he started.
    Now if yout spot is in a place where you can crawl out after a nasty slip up on the ice then, by all means, go get it.. but whats the hurry it’s not going anywhere and Forrest is going to out live us all.

    • voxpops says:

      Wise words, crimson. Let’s not have another tragedy. Temptation is knocking at my door, but I’ve had enough issues with snow and ice to know that it’s not worth it – especially, if, like me, you’re likely to be out there on your own.

      • crimsonblazeblog says:

        Oh don’t get me wrong. If I knew where it was at I would go get it but just be prepared for being out in a harsh environment if them fellows would have had some snowshoes they probably could have walked out. I like snowshoes over snowmobiles but that’s just me. I think Forrest mentioned plan on a warm place to retreat to also..

        • voxpops says:

          For me, given it’s a 10,000 mile round trip, I’d have to be pretty certain about the anticipated weather. Even walking on a few inches of snow can be very tiring, and a few miles of that in arctic conditions could be too much. Also, one slip and you might be sitting out there with a broken bone or worse.

          In October, I was looking at my GPS and didn’t notice a burrow in front of me. One leg shot straight down about ten or eleven inches. I fell forward, slamming my shin against the front of the burrow. The only thing that prevented a break was catching the fall with my cane. I had a lump and bruise on my shin for about three weeks, but it could have been so much worse. I missed seeing that hole when the ground was still visible; even a light covering of snow makes that kind of situation considerably more dangerous.

  34. Iceman says:

    I wrote to f last winter about my snowmobile trip. In a snowstorm we were snowblind and came close to going over a steep 500 ft cliff. We also were in danger of avalanche. It was a dangerous journey. I’m certain safety was in his mind when he said please stay home.

  35. crimsonblazeblog says:

    I have put too much time and effort on this chase so with my final breaths I would crawl to and collapse on the chest and when someone found me they would know I was the winner.

    • voxpops says:

      I hear you, crimson. At this stage I know that whoever gets there first will truly have deserved it (the treasure, not their demise!). I think there is a core of searchers who have truly put their heart and soul into this, and in some respects if one wins they all win. If someone beats me to it, I will applaud them heartily and drink a toast to their success.

      • Valerie says:

        Voxpops, What if when Forrest stated ‘the finder will have “earned” it’ – the implied double meaning was “urned” it?

        If I knew the “place”was someones grave, someone Forrest holds dear…out of respect…I wouldn’t disturb that place for any amount of gold. IMO the poem holds evidence of such.

        • Valerie says:

          Voxpops, just to be clear about my statement – I don’t mean a cemetery – a personal family type memorial site

          • crimsonblazeblog says:

            That really puts a dampener on the Thrill now, doesn’t it? Kinda like the original plan where you’d have to kick Forrest’s bones off the chest. Either your a Pirate or a TreeHugger.

          • voxpops says:

            Valerie, I think you may be right, but that might be where the chest is – not the trove.

            • Valerie says:

              Vox, It’s my opinion that there are two bronze treasure boxes in play, dozens of areas that looks like a man’s chest or the shape of the treasure chest in land topography, The trove sits in a vault, his precious treasure sits entombed next to treasured family members that are gone, Auntie Forrest is honest with searchers… at this point he knows the entire puzzle has been solved.

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      If it were me I think I’d put each hand out to the sides and make V signs for “victory” with my fingers in my final breaths.
      My skull would be grinning. lol

  36. E.C. Waters says:

    Some unrelated trivia… Crawford, CO is in the banana belt. Frank S. Crawford discovered the Hot Chocolate Effect.

    • Valerie says:

      More unrelated trivia…Sun Valley Idaho had the first chair lift (Ski resort) in the US. Chair lifts were designed originally to off load bananas from boats; adapted for ski lifts.

  37. Spallies says:

    In honor of the holidays and because it’s pretty rainy and grey here in the PNW I made a big cup of Hot Chocolate this morning with extra chocolate !!! Does chocolate really make you smarter? That would be awesome! 🙂

  38. Iceman says:

    Its about thst time of the year when f says” Merry Christmas and be safe”.

  39. Chesney says:

    There ain’t any snow ’round here, so I guess I am good to go search?!!

  40. crimsonblazeblog says:

    Snow matters not, mud matters not. rain matters not, wind matters not, fire matters. So if your spot is on fire you should probably stay home and don’t play with matches lol.

  41. Pen Ghost says:

    Hot chocolate – hmmmm diabetic hmmm.

    Sneaking a forbidden sweet.

  42. Sparrow says:

    Thanks Jenny and Forrest

  43. Five-leaf blaze says:

    This would have been great info to hear by May 1, 2017. We went to a snowy mountain and waited 6 weeks for the pass to open, then proceeded to get at least 3 diesel super-trucks unstuck from snow and mud, while not getting our own lumpy, stupid van stuck. I guess I shouldn’t say it’s stupid. Anyway, nearby lodge guys referred to us as “legends here on the mountain.” It last snowed there on June 12th. I marked that day on my calendar as RIDICULOUS. The mountain I found was awesome. We stayed another two weeks so I could explore it. It had a mushroom-shaped feature, a very old sniper nest fortification, and caves with huge bones, plus the biggest starfish fossils you’d ever want to see. But that is all I will tell of the place. If you’ve been there, you’ll know for sure where it is. But really, place is the arctic all but 3 months out of the year.

    • Five-leaf blaze says:

      And , of course, the guy asks if you need a snowmobile to get to the TREASURE or SPOT, and Forrest answers you don’t need one to get the your SOLVE. My how things change lol.

      • JC1117 says:

        That sounds like quite the adventure, Five-leaf Blaze.

        I wish I had the time and resources to spend serious time like you did…without getting stuck…of course. Bummer.

        More enigmas…like you mentioned…treasure…spot…and solve. What do they all mean?

        • Five-leaf blaze says:

          Well… we are pretty much mountain bums on a very low budget. When you answer that question: “what is life about,” and arrive on a mountain, freeze a lot, shrug everything off and chase a treasure – good things are bound to happen – if one lives through it. It just takes PATIENCE, my JC friend…

          • Valerie says:

            Five leaf blaze, life is about living. Please don’t shrug off “everything” including your common sense, or you may find out what death is all about, as 3 others searching for Fenn’s gold have done.

        • Five-leaf blaze says:

          As far as enigmas or solves, I’m not even going to say I’m closer than anyone else. Just that the person asking the question used the words treasure and spot, but Forrest answered with the word solve.

  44. Iceman says:

    If you know precisely where the treasure is you can probably retrieve if in any weather. So why on earth would you chose winter to do that? Wait for nice weather. Besides, you dont know precisely where its at, and f knows that. Hes read your solves.

  45. Iceman says:

    Or spoken another way, if you know precisely where it’s at, you should know better than to try and retrieve it in winter. Might as well have a hot chocolate. Merry Christmas.

  46. Brad Hartliep says:

    Not all snow mobiles are snowmobiles ..


  47. voxpops says:

    “Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”

  48. ace 340 says:

    Searching is different than going to get. Let it snow. g

  49. Jdiggins says:

    I agree ace. Mother Earth needs the snow. Let it snow. I also agree with statements above…as Forrest stated “…you could probably retrieve it in any weather…”
    You just can’t search in any weather.
    Happy waterfall day Forrest! 🙂

  50. Brad Hartliep says:

    @ScoutAround et al:

    Provided it hasn’t just snowed and the trail isn’t muddy, a 2WD Sedan should be able to get you just as close to Bronze Beauty as a 4WD Jeep or a Snowmobile .. of course, you may want a 4wd or at the very least chains in winter if it has just snowed, but then I personally wouldn’t go out looking within two or three days of a snowstorm, since I like to be South of Raton Pass before the Blizzard hits, otherwise I have to go all the way over to Amarillo on a very narrow road from Trinidad ..


  51. Passenger says:

    Forrest — Wishing you and your family a very merry Christmas, along with all the folks here. Although I’m not a traditionally religious person, Winter is spiritual for me…

    Interestingly, aspects of Psalm 23-25 are fitting:

    The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake. Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.


  52. ace 340 says:

    If your solve is now in the snow, for safety sake, stay home, don’t go. g

  53. Crimsonblaze says:

    I named my solve Chinook rrr.

  54. Pen Ghost says:

    Miss the snow here. I think it is blistery cold in February – must be the most snow filled month of the year 🙂

  55. locolobo says:

    Forrest, thanks for the Christmas present!! 🙂

    ‘Scout Around’ did not tell you where the spot was, or even what state it was in. But, they told you the one thing necessary for you to be able to answer the question, regardless of who asked it; and to tell them to stay at home! 🙂

    Kinda reminds me of these words, “If your solve is in the desert, get a new solve”

  56. BMS says:

    Happy anniversary Forrest! That must have been one special day walking into your front door 49 years ago!

  57. Chesney says:

    Happy Anniversary Mr. Fenn, and Merry Christmas to you and your family, and our searching family, as well! Whoops… eye didn’t place my punctuation properly above! I hope you are doing well, Sir! I am well in striking distance to what I have believed to be the spot for 2 1/2 years!

  58. Crimsonblaze says:

    It’s not likely you would get within two feet and have to wait for Christmas.

    • Brad Hartliep says:

      On the contrary. It’s much more likely you – meaning someone – can be within two feet – or someone or yourself or somebody maybe even has been – and still not know it ..

      The odds are in favor of Bronze Beauty ..


  59. Chesney says:

    Oh Crimsonblaze,
    Just because you aren’t where I am, doesn’t mean it isn’t possible! Merry Christmas to you and your family!

  60. Crimsonblaze says:

    Merry Christmas mr Chesney

  61. Crimsonblaze says:

    U r welcome and have a wonderful New Year.

  62. Iceman says:

    If you knew precisely where it is, you could find it. Heck, you could do brain surgery on it. Merry Christmas.

  63. Dampenedmyth says:

    Merry Christmas everyone! Wishing many blessings for everyone in the New Year.

  64. Brad Hartliep says:

    SB 169 –

    My Mother’s Name is Eunice ..

    Now where was that place I was at .. I’d tell you .. but .. I just can’t seem to remember .. unless, of course, you want to split Bronze Beauty – but only if I get the Box ..

    Let’s see .. back in February – or was it January, December, November, October .. maybe summer. maybe spring .. maybe the place that turns to winter once in a greyhound moon .. that place between the snows of Kilimanjaro .. that one that looks like an elbow .. with a yellow bloom .. or was it two? .. the one with the big red rim hiding in plain site ..

    Black Bird. Arrowhead ..

    Two dead dogs. Two bullet holes ..

    Two dead cars. Two dead houses ..

    Bathtub .. Schoolhouse – but you’ll never never find it – unless you’re ever ever smart ..

    Red, Yellow, Green. Just like a stop light ..

    Red, Green, Yellow. Orange, Black, Orange .. Tea Time ..

    There used to be another Green .. but its missing ..

    Do I need a 4×4? ..

    Search Around ..

    If I rent a snowmobile will you show me where it’s at? ..

    F: Got an airplane?

    Hunter Hartliep: Nope. But I know where I can find a Helicopter ..

    RIP RAIDERS: Toujours Au Danger ..

    Launch All Planes – X

    You get 10. I get 90 ..


  65. HappyThoth says:

    Engaging Mind

  66. HappyThoth says:

    Squaring off and considering all the angles

  67. HappyThoth says:

    Ms. Step

  68. Jdiggins says:

    I wish you a Merry Christmas,
    I wish you a Merry Christmas,
    I wish you a Merry Christmas,
    And a Happy New Year!

    May 2018 be the one!

    Love y’all xoxox!

  69. Lifesablaze says:

    Victory,Victoria and the Old Vic made The Cut. She went looking for Babe and the Sluggers that day. Should have stayed in the car because the next day never came. That was in 2009. – S.H.

  70. Crimsonblaze says:

    No wize words from FF today, I hope someone doesn’t take his silence as a clue.

  71. Crimsonblaze says:

    One maybe two, did you know it’s a funny thing but the words hint and clue are interchangeable?

  72. Crimsonblaze says:

    Dear Chesney,
    Now you are just contridicting yourself. Is that the definition of subterfuge?

    • Chesney says:

      I don’t understand how you find contradicting out of my statement. “Inside information” is not the same thing as the way a person reads or perceives the translation of the poem.

      • Crimsonblaze says:

        @7:38 you said he is not even playing with words, then @ 9:17pm you say he is playing because it’s his game. All of that adds up to contradictory in my book.

      • Buckeye Bob says:

        So you mean to say he’s playing the game (obviously), but not playing with words?
        I think he plays with the words, but not in the sense of twisting their meaning.

  73. Crimsonblaze says:

    You could say that, but I won’t.

  74. Lifesablaze says:

    Theaters are fascinating don’t you think? The world is a stage and
    Forrest has the whole town turned upside down. Perfect ground for developing a good production. It’s about Scout. The setting is familiar, yet..a place where we are both subject and object.

    Did Madonna ever play The Radio City Music Hall? Such is the Progress of Man. 🌟


  75. Lifesablaze says:

    Whoa now JC1117 that’s messing with my realities 😄

  76. Iceman says:

    You could find the treasure site without the poem.

    • Crimsonblaze says:

      You can? But but can u find the chest without the poem?

    • Lifesablaze says:

      Iceman – I have to disagree. I used only the poem to find my solve. Using anagrams, sound relationships and the artist’s eye and the computer and good maps gave me a physical wwwh. Research into the meanings and origins of words has given me the education so that’s my treasure right there. I look at the poem as a structure and each word has a dimensional aspect. So each word is a ‘house’ and all the houses together make a ‘village’ it literally can go on forever. But we live in now so, the solve is the spot in this now. Like the shadow of the moon on the earth, it’s there. Then it goes on after there…

      BOTG has reavealed my solve to be an incredible realm of exploration that keeps unfolding. I can understand why Forrest said he didn’t need to visit to know it, because the place becomes a part of you.

      Its where one can be Quiet Like a Kite and dream of the village.

      Signing off for a Time. Blessings to all the good searchers and to the Whole Wide World 🌎

      • passenger says:

        Lifesablaze. Interesting explanation and good use of Fennspeak. I wonder if you and I are looking in the same place?


    • ace 340 says:

      You would not Know you are there. g

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      I think you might be right, Iceman.
      But for that to be correct, there would have to be a way to determine WWWH, the first clue.
      And I think that your statement MUST be right, because:
      1) WWWH can’t be found without the hints
      2) The hints tell you WWWH
      The only thing missing there is something to tell you that WWWH (in hint form) is the first clue, and the starting point.
      But then, the poem doesn’t tell us that either, we only know it now because Forrest has told us so.
      Therefore, if the treasure was to be found before he told us that, then there MUST BE a way to determine that from the hints.

      Think this through over and over, I can’t see how this isn’t a “correct” take on it.

      The only thing to consider is whether there are hints in the poem that allow you to figure it out without the book(s).
      And in my mind, those books are so full of hints that WEAVE the solutions to each clue that a searcher would be foolish (and I don’t mean to say they would be a fool, just acting foolish) to ignore those books. (Along with the Weekly Words and Scrap Books and all the other releases of info Forrest has given us.

      • Chesney says:

        WWWH isn’t the first clue?!

      • Iceman says:

        Forrest never said WWWH is the first clue. My opinion.

        • pdenver says:

          Hello Iceman. During a New Zealand radio interview with Mr. Fenn, he has stated WWWH is the first clue.

          • ace 340 says:

            Thank you pdenver, Missed that one. Now some of the comments i have read make more sense. Can’t believe i missed that. So much stuff. g

          • Iceman says:

            You are correct. I stand corrected. It doesnt change my solve though. And I thought mk his statement is a bit decieving. You still need to find WWWH and that info is elsewhere in the poem. Perhaps he wants to reserve rhe first stanza as the last clue.

      • Iceman says:

        Buckeye –
        Don’t forget “its’s what you know for sure” that keeps you from finding the treasure. Pay attention to every word. I can’t emphasize that enough. Your logic above is commendable.

        • Pointfoot says:

          Ain’t that the truth. I feel in order to reach the end one will require a lot of tenacity, imagination and time. Watch those rabbit holes too. It’s easy to get stuck and hard to get unstuck. I feel the woods calling me and can’t wait to get back out there. I have to wait though… I don’t like waiting… if it were solely up to me I would be there right now. A place safe for an 80 year old to go…

        • Buckeye Bob says:

          Iceman, I don’t even suspect what I don’t know. lol
          I know what you mean, though. We can’t ignore anything. Surprises abound.
          Every time I think I’m smelling the roses I find out I have just begun. Or it seams that way.
          And thanks for the compliment.

    • half a pecan says:

      Iceman, I agree with you.
      As I do with some of the other comments to your comment.
      However, it’s my opinion that the poem and the rest go hand in hand. While it can be solved using either one, you are more likely to succeed using both. And that’s an understatement according to my Gypsy palm reader, who says my life line isn’t long enough.

  77. Crimsonblaze says:

    If it is in the “now” then it can’t not move on. It would be stuck in the now, no future no past only present. Which means as Forrest is hiding it you are finding it playing tug of war with the treasure chest.

  78. Iceman says:

    As always … anything I post to the blogs is my opinion.

  79. Crimsonblaze says:

    How would you know when there is no conformation or feedback? You would only think you knew and until you crawled up on the chest without stumbling over it it’s just won big leap of faith.

  80. Crimsonblaze says:

    There is a clue in there but did you get the right won?

  81. Crimsonblaze says:

    Nope, Yup!

  82. Crimsonblaze says:

    As a matter of fact I don’t. But I remember a story about a painting of George if that helps.

  83. Crimsonblaze says:

    Yes and no but makes sense. Are you insinuating I’m deaf?

    • Chesney says:

      No, not at all, but that is why I despise texting so much. It is easily misinterpreted!

      • Pen Ghost says:

        Chesney, I agree with you totally about texting and its shortcomings compared to face-to-face dialogue. Many times, I miss the days before email, texting, twitter, etc. I recently watched the Lake House movie – it was fun to see them write – handwriting. Silly movie but fun not to see the technology being relied upon.

  84. GM says:

    Awhile back there was discussion about Fenn’s spices in a drawer, can anyone tell me what blog I can find that.

  85. Iceman says:

    You will need every stanza, every sentence, every phase, every word, every letter, and every punctuation mark to find the treasure. Don’t forget the title or the map either. Your gonna need that to. If your solve ignores any of the details above, you will be going home empty handed. My opinion.

  86. Iceman says:

    The biggest mistake you can make in your quest for the treasure is to underestimate your adversary.

  87. Crimsonblaze says:

    Who is the adversary? Is it one for everyone or do we all get our own special advasary?

    • Iceman says:

      If you have to ask who your adversary is, it might be you. For all others it’s Forrest Fenn. The best way to win a battle is to know your adversary.

      • crimsonblazeblog says:

        ya ur write, i fight with myself at all times. forrest fenn is a big cupcake!

        • crimsonblazeblog says:

          Sometimes I win and sometimes the other me wins but never have both of us won at the same time, but it really doesn’t matter who wins the other always runs a close second. If you stumble or falter it’s all over with might s well crawl to the finish line.

  88. Buckeye Bob says:

    The real adversary is this master riddle.

  89. Iceman says:

    My resolution for the New Year is to spell check all my words before I post. We’ll see how that goes. Happy New Year!

  90. Buckeye Bob says:

    Happy New Year everyone.

  91. JC1117 says:

    Happy New Year!

    Is this the year she smiles?

  92. Pointfoot says:

    Happy new year! Wishing for 2018 to be full of blessings for everyone. Maybe this is the year when all the stars will align, the snow will melt, and someone will finally retrieve it. Until then stay warm everyone. And thank you Forrest for such an amazing adventure!

  93. Jdiggins says:

    Happy New Year my friends!

  94. Chesney says:

    Happy New Year Everyone! 😀

  95. pdenver says:

    All the very best for a Happy New Year.

  96. Passenger says:

    Happy New and Old year! It’s too though’s end and atn.

  97. Iceman says:

    brave in the wood => hibernated

    … just a tid bit to ponder while you drink your hot chocolate and wait for f to post another zinger. It’s not in a dangerous place.

  98. Iceman says:

    In the wood => den

  99. Iceman says:

    Valerie –
    No one can acuse you of a lack of imagination. The phrase “in my office” you see in the books is more likely a reference to surveillance cameras, not the treasure itself. My opinion.

  100. Iceman says:

    Even if you had the exact coordinates, GPS is only accurate within 12 feet or so. You can’t know the precise location under those conditions.

    • NearIndianaJones says:

      My Garmin was the bench mark that all other GPS was gaged by when I bought it in 2009. It still does good, but you are right, two GPS side by side could show different numbers. Hey f, can I borrow your GPS?

    • ace 340 says:

      Iceman, I have an old Garmin. I think it is accurate within 14 feet or so. But when I try to find my favorite fishing hole, and it needs to be exact. I never know which direction to auger the next hole. ? I’ll tell you what though. It is close enough to get on to some good fishing in Charlotte harbor. g

  101. Iceman says:

    Anyone catch the marshmallows … 911? Don’t ask me why. But it’s there. Just an observation.

  102. Iceman says:

    When searching for the treasure, beware of decoys. There’s a bunch of ’em. My opinion.

  103. lifesablaze says:

    All – My Papa, Big Daddy, left this world this morning. The leaps from rock to rock, the perfect coyote skeleton, the crocodiles in the pool, the balls of mercury…all that was with him. The great love story of George and Patsy and their love child, Charlie is finally over. If I had only one wish I would turn back time and go straight to that one night when Charlie went to the basement. I’m putting a heavy dose of Jameson in my hot chocolate tonight. And all you mind trolling, gold sniffers bee warned…I was doing this for him and I don’t handle grief well. 2/22

  104. Jdiggins says:

    Lifesablaze, my thoughts and prayers are with you. Stay true to your name, I’m sure your dad wouldn’t want it any other way.
    Crimson is right, it worked for me too. I lost my big brother a mere two weeks after I learned of the Chase. That was nigh four years past.

  105. lifesablaze says:

    Everyone thank you so much for the kind words. You are all so beautiful. He was an extraordinary man. He saved many lives. He dared me to live mine. Thank you all, again. – D


  106. Pen Ghost says:

    Hot chocolate is aromatic but I think it is a Holiday thing that is difficult for me to grasp if I were to try to understand its composition completely. I’ve just taken hot chocolate at its base and followed recipe directions to get it to its best in aroma, texture, and taste. My two sense here. I do not celebrate the Holidays and while colors of red and green have their place, it seems to swirl and blend to a point where I do not understand why red and green are used for a particular Holiday. I get the gist: red, green, Santa and reindeer – but it is complicated for me like for Charlie in The Santa Clause where Charlie does not understand how reindeer fly or how Santa can get down the chimney. The marshmallows are interesting; not acceptable in some cultures. 911 hmmm a warning perhaps about the peppermint spice for those who cannot tolerate the swirls of flavor in the candy canes which are dipped into the hot chocolate. So many aromas and tastes in the picture overwhelms me. I prefer eggnog with a “hit”.

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      I don’t like peppermint much either, but have you ever tried hot chocolate with a cc dipped in it?
      Fantastic! It adds just a hint but it doesn’t seem pepperminty.

      As far as red and green for the holidays, that’s an advertising thing.
      At one time Santa wore green or black.
      Then companies started using red and white for Santa in their ads, and when Coka Cola had a huge success with an ad campaign it pretty much sealed the colors.

      I like eggnog too. 😉

  107. lifesablaze says:

    Mistletoe exists between worlds..it is never meant to touch the ground. Check the date of f’s last post. The kiss has been given. Hence hovering dreams. If you want to marry the poem to the map you have to learn how to fly. It’s the only way to escape the wolf. Besides we are into January now and Red Riding Hood isn’t so innocent.

    • Passenger says:

      Lifesablaze. Nice description. You are getting me nervous, my friend.

      As you may know, it’s not escape but ultimately the union with the wolf that leads Little Red Riding Hood into self-realization.

      Feel free to email privately.

      • lifesablaze says:

        Yes, I had an interesting experience with wolf on Hollyhock a little over a month ago. He was dressed as a sheep.

      • lifesablaze says:

        There used to be a custom of keeping a bowl of milk out for the house snake. I suppose the custom morphed into milk for the kitty.

        My dad’s last request was for a glass of milk. Message sent.

  108. crimsonblazeblog says:

    The 15th of December? or is there a latter one? When did Little Red lose her innocence? Everyone is going too fast I can’t keep up, I’m just bearly crawling along.

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      I know what you mean. As always, there’s confusion around this hunt.
      But I have faith that it’s just the rumblings of uncertainty.
      Whatever happens, happens. We’ll all be better off for it. That’s how I see it. Because there are other things besides coin that reward us in life so much better.
      If this thing ends, some will feel negative feelings. Anger, regret, jealousy a quiver like jell-o in a quake. But hopefully they’ll get over that and learn from it.
      Me, I think I’ll probably have some bad thoughts, so I’m preparing myself for “the worst”. I have a few drops left of my favorite beverage, which is fairly expensive for a person in my position. I’m saving it for a toast to the winner(s). It’s a salute that I hope will help me get past my personal let down.

    • Pen Ghost says:

      Completely ignorant here. Have not heard anything about Red Riding Hood or know where or when f posted.

  109. lifesablaze says:

    Ready for the group photo? Everyone’s on stage? Front row, back, center? Smile everybody.


  110. Iceman says:

    The correct methodology for finding the treasure is inductive ressoning. You make a conjecture, you validate it with strong evidence. Repeat. It’s an iterative process. My opinion.

    • crimsonblazeblog says:

      A shot in the dark, solved why we need a flashlight lol or how about in the ballpark that will deserve a warrant. I’ve been at this too long, it’s a pain in the neck.

      • Pen Ghost says:

        Flashlights are my friend. I’ve got them all over RV and in car. It’s getting harder to tell if something is dark blue or black. Shine the light from a keychain so clothes match after the purchase. It seems it is just one more thing to carry around in old age. Perhaps I should check my sandwich for bug visitors before eating it – hand me the flashlight, please:)

    • lifesablaze says:

      Yes Iceman, I know it’s frustrating, it seems my methods don’t fit into the scientific models of exploration.

      There was always a puzzle on the table at home. I could sit and look at it, go to sleep and the next morning go pick up one single random piece and put it in place.

      The poem has moved me to a place that cannot be explained within the limited models that we common joes are allowed to see. So I am also limited in my ability to communicate HOW I know a piece is a piece when I see IT.

      I have no desire.

      To be bombed off the playground so I will keep my musings to myself.

      And…Time Will Crawl.

      • Passenger says:

        “The poem has moved me to a place that cannot be explained within the limited models”

        How about N,N-DMT — Dimethyltryptamine, aka Ayahuasca. aka The Spirit Molecule. The two nitrogen atoms combine to form a methyl-tryptamine. ha.

    • Stade says:

      Iceman, could be the right logic is abductive reasoning. Fenn did say bring a six pack.

  111. Crimsonblaze says:

    And crawl And Crawl some more till no one finally notices. Anyone know a good time attorney?

    • JC1117 says:

      For a good time attorney call 555-1234.

      Sorry. I can’t remember the real number that was written in the porta-potty at the construction site. 🙂

  112. Hidden Bear says:

    Stay and play. Sometimes it’s just a bad day. Nothing to hide. Frustrating ride.

  113. Iceman says:

    Is this post really a plug for Swiss Miss? A potential sponsor of the treasure hunt? Support for the blogs? How about it guys?

  114. Chesney says:

    My opinion is that; if a person reads too far, or too little Into the poem, they may be better off at home… Hot Chocolate or Canasta, anyone? 😀

  115. Iceman says:

    Mr. Fenn –
    I think we are ready for a new post. This one’s ran its course. My opinion.

  116. Iceman says:

    The cups are talking to me. Make sure you cross all your teas and dot all your eyes. Pay attention to colors. Count everything! My opinion.

  117. lifesablaze says:

    Iceman you are correct – pay attention to everything. I think it’s all connected. We only have an ant’s view.

    When I think about my solve it’s like I am standing on a high rock flying my kite. Maybe it’s all my own projection.

    It’s cool to think maybe Forrest managed to put this diamond in the chest for someone to find. >wink<


    I went from secret gardens today to diamonds in the sky. I like those kind of projections. Thanks for bearing with me everyone.

  118. Brad Hartliep says:

    “The Wilderness as a Minority Right”, U.S. Forest Service Bulletin (1928)
    “Forest devastation must stop”, The Nation (1929)
    “The Problem of the Wilderness”, The Scientific Monthly (1930)
    “A Proposed Remedy for Our Forest Illness”, Journal of Forestry (1930)

    “The Bob”, located in Flathead Forest, was created the same year the Wilderness Act became Law in 1964 (+ or – two to twenty years). The Nature Preserve encompasses a square million acres and is one of the best-preserved ecosystems in the world. “The Bob” is the 5th Largest Ancient Wilderness in the contiguous 48 States. In compliance with the 1964 Wilderness Act, no motorized or mechanical equipment (including bicycles and hang gliders) is permitted. Although camping and fishing are allowed – with proper permit – the area is roadless, and logging and mining are prohibited. There are numerous Forest Service Cabins in The Bob – but only for use by Forest Service personnel. The Bob Complex (which encompasses Bob, Scapegoat, and Great Bear) is a Habitat well known for Grizzly, Lynx, Cougar, Wolf, Black Bear, Moose, Elk and a variety of other birds, mammals, and plants ..

    Stay Out Of The Rockies ‘Till Aprial ..

    Your Welcome,


  119. Brad Hartliep says:

    “The sounds of the forest are entirely obliterated by the roar of the motor. The smell of pine needles and flowers and herbs and freshly turned dirt and all the other delicate odors of the forest are drowned in the stench of gasoline. The feeling of wind blowing in the face and of soft ground under foot are all lost.” – Bob Marshall


    • pdenver says:

      This is a bit sad, Brad, and wish it wasn’t so. I believe it was either last night or the night before, I stood outside and was doing a little stargazing. It was a clear sky and it was really nice, but I could hear highway traffic, which is about 2-3 mile crow fly. Most of the time I don’t hear this, but that night I did. I hope the wilderness remains vast and people can enjoy the beauty of such places in what is their true perfect nature. Thank you for sharing this.

      • Stade says:

        Pdenver, the sound of silence is a precious and rare resource. Even the most remote wilderness silence is often interrupted by the flight of a jet overhead. I last remember uninterrupted wild silence in 1969 hiking off road following ancient travois trails over Lewis and Clark Pass, Montana.

        • pdenver says:

          Hello Stade. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I agree in what you’ve said. It sounds like you had a wonderful time in your travel so long ago. Sometimes to just listen, when there really isn’t anything to hear, is one of the most peaceful times. Just for those moments, there isn’t a care in the world. Everything has been lifted off the shoulders and the burden is no longer there. Such freedom.

          • Stade says:

            Right Pdenver. It’s been so long since I’ve lived near outdoor spaces that I hardly remember that wonderful freedom. Once a year hiking in Montana only fills up the soul for a short time, but I’m thankful for memories.

            • pdenver says:

              I’m glad you’re able to enjoy that time in Montana, Stade. How long are you given to enjoy your hiking there? You must have seen some wonderful sights along the way.

    • JC1117 says:

      That is very sad, Brad…the sad reality of many places anymore.

      I still Love getting out there when I can…far away from all the light and noise radiation of man…in a Place where I can better see the Light Radiation of all the Stars and the giant band that is Our Galaxy.

      A guy can really hear himself think out there.

      It’s a rare occurrence these days.

  120. Buckeye Bob says:

    When I was 7 years old my family moved from central Ohio to the north. Less than an hour away from Lake Erie.
    That summer my dad took us to the lake for some beach fun and sight seeing.
    We were stunned.
    The beach was closed. The tide edge lined as far as we could see with dead fish.
    Every time the waves came in, all those dead fish bodies would rise and settle again, with a few more carcasses, in heaped lines like a sardine can. The water was foamy, the stench terrible.
    That’s the first we knew of the lake dying, and in fact large zones were declared “dead” in the next few years.

    Lots of effort went into cleaning it up, including from the manufacturing polluters. It was a common effort between government, private citizens, and businesses.
    The recovery was amazing. There’s still many problems and some major. But fishing has recovered and the beaches are back. It’s sort of an ebb and flow thing though.
    We have lots of problems in the world. But we can overcome them. And hopefully as humanity progresses with knowledge and science, and a huge portion of wisdom, we can make our world a better place.
    So far we are not leaving it a better place than we found it. Maybe some day, if we keep trying.

  121. lifesablaze says:

    This is where the poem has led me. It happened without my even knowing it. This is what I am doing with the Treasure. Something the war mongers will never understand. Such jealous, greedy hearts. I don’t have to put my hand under that rock to retrieve the gold.



  122. voxpops says:

    Being the bear for a moment…

    I was slumbering peacefully swatting sleepily at the occasional doodlebug when I heard the goading cry of the hunter. My nature is such that I was curious… and hungry. Swiftly, I bounded past the harebells, where the bees would soon be a-buzzing, to the edge, and peered over. My senses told me that the human was on the far side – not an immediate threat. But I had my cubs, and they were awake and trailing me, anxious for the protection and warmth they’d so recently enjoyed. I sniffed the air, and located the scent wafting across to me from the daffodil patch that so resembled my own lair. My fur bristled and I was angry at the intrusion.

    I scrambled awkwardly down to the lower ground, my shorter front legs making the going ungainly and tiring. My cubs were gamely following, but struggling. I bade them wait among the bog-rosemary as I tried to make out where the hunter stood. The odor of human flesh was now more pungent and I pressed on, skirting the failed but still upright mailbox that stood sentinel, and overtaking the rabbits and birds that were inexplicably traveling in the same direction.

    Then I saw him – or at least I thought I did – for at the same time a loud shout came from behind, and I feared for my cubs. I turned, rearing up on my hind legs, trying to make out from where this new threat emanated. There were two of them! What to do? Which was the greater danger? Instinct kicked in, and I loped back toward my cubs. I turned once or twice more, but was unsure from where this two-pronged assault might resume. My cubs were frantic but safe, having obeyed my orders. They fretted and nuzzled.

    We stayed out of sight while I surveyed the scene. I saw the men returning to their vehicle, but I didn’t intervene, for I had also spotted the freshly slaughtered carcass that the first hunter had left prostrate among the flowers and weeds. When the coast was clear, I gathered my cubs – who by now were famished – and left, knowing that I could return if necessary, but feeling right then that meat was the number one priority.

    As we trotted toward our meal, I sensed the imminent arrival of more humans. More than likely they too would be hunters. Danger was all around. We hoped our repast would be uninterrupted, but it would be necessary to keep a wary eye out for intruders.

    Stay safe!

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