Featured Question with Forrest Fenn and The Thrill of the Chase Treasure Hunt: North not South

treasure hunting thrill of the chaseDear Forrest,

My rule is to not comment on something like this but I’ve decided to make an exception. I received a very lengthy email from someone who tried to make the case that you buried your treasure at San Lazaro Pueblo. This person did an enormous amount of research to arrive at that solve, and even went to the pueblo. I noticed that you were copied in the same email. Do you feel like commenting?  ~Thanks Jenny



My rule is to not comment on something like this, but like you, I will make an exception because it may be of interest to some searchers.

If it was a long email I’m sure I didn’t read it, and without a name I can’t make a search. There was a man who trespassed on the historic side of Del Charro Creek at the pueblo, and stole some artifacts. We have him on camera. He had a long walk to get in because it is 6 miles down a little dirt road through 4 locked gates. The person you mention is study in futility. Reminds me of the old story about the Rolls Royce that drove up to the Ritz Plaza hotel in New York, and no one got out.

San Lazaro is south of Santa Fe, and the treasure is hidden in the mountains north of Santa Fe, and it still is. f




Best of luck with all that you seek and always Treasure the Adventure! 


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149 Responses

  1. Chesney says:

    Perhaps this person has a broken compass, or is unable to read a good map. Thank You Mr. Fenn and Ms. Kile, I hope you both are well!

  2. ROLL TIDE says:

    We have him on camera…
    Folks are gonna have a field day with that one…

  3. Jake Faulker says:

    It still is still.

  4. 23kachinas says:

    How To Play Freeze Tag

    If you’re touched by It, you’re frozen, at least until an unfrozen player unfreezes you.

  5. ROLL TIDE says:

    And without a name I can’t make a search.
    Six miles = long walk.

    Anyone up for some salty Ritz crackers ?
    By the way, ritz = flash. A pool of water.

    With a name like that, you might be able to make a search.

    I see Fred Harvey peeping into class this morning.
    I won’t be redundant and spend time on the word fred again, been there and done that too many times already.

    But, Harvey might look tasty after the ‘Contrary’ entry just recently.

    French : Army warrior
    German : Soldier
    Celtic : bitter, and acrimonious.

    acrimonious = astringent, salty, mocking.
    Note that in his opening sentence he is mocking the very words used by Jenny.

    acrimonious = strait-laced = red-necked = conventional, conservative, and narrow.

    Back-to-back salt and vinegar folks, and some conservative redneck is on the strait-and-narrow, the strait skinny.

    yer killin’ me f. Why does it sound like you’re talking in circles ?

    I think of hungry children, as I throw my half-eat sandwich to the ground…

  6. HappyThoth says:

    sloane down until still..the katy line comes to a halt.. look at the starry sky and consider the red shift.. Chief Sitting Bull did and that’s how he saw the events at Little Big Horn ahead of Time.. that’s the whisper I hear anyway.. Húŋkešni has always been concerned with Long Term Evolution so I can see why Forrest says “Keep your children close in the mountains..”, because if you listen closely, they have a lot to TEL

  7. HappyThoth says:

    still Lamed

  8. Bailey says:

    It always amazes me when I read that people are searching somewhere other than North of Santa Fe in N. Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, or Montana. I guess they believe Mr. Fenn is telling the truth about hidden treasure, but is lying about the direction he hid it in. Or maybe they think the 3 1/2 states he has said it is in, is too small of an area. lol. Very strange.

    • anna says:

      Will someone kindly post Forrest’s exact quote saying he hid the treasure Chest at least 8.25 miles north of the “northern border of the city of Santa Fe.”???????

      Just for everyone’s reference. PLEASE!….I can’t find Forrest stating north of Santa Fe’s north boundary.

      • ColoradoK9 says:

        Anna, I re-watched the Expedition Unknown episode with Forrest last night and he said it in the interview.

  9. JDA says:

    Thanks for the Post Forrest and Jenny. I hope that your searcher is caught red-handed next time he tries to steal something. Life can be “Rocky” at times I guess, if you do look out where you are going. JDA

    • JDA says:

      You might fall Flat on your face. JDA

    • ace 340 says:

      Life lessons. Although I haven’t read diddly when it comes to thick books, I have read about every children’s book in the library to my kids when they were growing up. This reminds me of one of our favorites. Watch your step Mr. Rabbit. Important lesson and fun artwork. I guess from a certain perspective I could be considered well read, and IMO, the all time greatest work . The Giving Tree. g

      • JDA says:

        Two GREAT stories. Thanks! One must be careful where they walk or they might bet stuck in the mud or cement. The GIVING tree was so touching. It gave all that it had…In Love! The tree I am thinking of is small, but I bet it too is very giving in nature. JDA

        • ace 340 says:

          Reflecting back on all those kids books, I guess I shouldn’t say all time greatest work. But its pretty darn good. g

  10. ace 340 says:

    ideosrancric. g

  11. HeadedDown says:

    Is that irony if he pressed charges. Lol. Sorry got to lay off the sauce. Still banned?

  12. thomas says:

    Leaving today and I’ll be north of Santa Fe, in the Rocky Mountain’s, my email to Forrest was short so he should know where I’m going !!

    • Brad Hartliep says:

      @Thomas – there’s a winter storm warning moving into the Rockies from central Wyoming to the Four Corners today through Saturday, so you may want to get out until afterwards ..


  13. 23kachinas says:

    At 08:55 she said, “We are running on line north and south.”

    I wonder if Tighar will ever find Amelia’s plane?

    • Brad Hartliep says:

      Ric couldn’t find a Wasp in a Wasp factory ..

    • Mindy says:

      I think that plane has been found and is secreted on an island somewhere, from what I’ve heard…

      • Brad Hartliep says:

        I believe the Electra is at the bottom of the ocean somewhere west (Northwest to Southwest) of Howland Island. Howland’s position was misplaced on Amelia’s chart by about five miles, but that would still have kept it within visual range. Amelia’s final bearings (during her final communication with Itasca) put her just Northwest of Howland, which would closely fit their planned route. Amelia did not have enough fuel to reach Garland Is. (Nikumaroo) from Howland – it’s impossible, the plane was almost out of fuel. The ONLY way she could have reached Garland was to fly a direct route from Lae, Papua New Guinea (the island they left from that morning) — and this would have put them 5 to 10 degrees off their intended course. Fred was an expert navigator who carried a sextant to backup his RDF. Amelia also knew how to Navigate but her primary job was flying. At some point, he (or she) should have realized they were off-course. The bearing from Papua New Guinea to Howland is about 79° true. To Nikumaroro, it’s 89° true. Nikumaroro was about 4272 km away, only slightly farther than Howland, which was 4160 km. The Electra’s maximum’s range did allow them to make it to either island, but only if they flew an absolutely direct course. If she originally headed for Howland (which is the more likely scenario) and somehow got turned she didn’t have enough fuel to reach either island. If the compass was off (or a magnetic anomaly existed) either Fred or Itasca should have been able to locate her position and relay that information .. My guess is either headwinds or the fact that the clocks were a half-hour off put her 30 minutes west of Howland when she thought she over Howland and that’s where the Electra is ..


        • SL says:


          My guess differs from yours:



          • Brad Hartliep says:

            That’s fine. Mine is just a theory. They could have gone South, they could have gone North, they could have turned back toward Rabul (an Island Chain that can be seen for 50 miles), they could’ve overflown Howland Island and never seen it — we just don’t have enough points of reference after the Ontario because they spent 6 or 8 hours flying in the clouds with nothing to sight .. I just personally think Garland Island is the least likely place they ended up. They had no maps pinpointing its lat/long location and finding it would have been extremely unlikely ..

        • Brad Hartliep says:

          I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote “30 Minutes” so I did some further research on Position Reports between Lae and the Ontario, a Naval ship positioned at approx. the halfway point, and headwinds out of the East of 26 mph (as reported by the Itasca the following day) versus the reported 12 mph when they left Lae. Based on calculations derived from the reports (travel time between points), Amelia was making way (groundspeed) at about 128 Statute mph (she did not use knots) down possibly as slow as 112 Smph when she turned dead into the Wind. After Ontario, they flew into Night – but also into Overcast Clouds, so Fred couldn’t shoot the stars and figure out their position or their Groundspeed. It’s possible she could have pushed the throttles and flown 150-180 MPH — but she would have burned all her fuel before she got to Howland. Maintaining “best fuel economy” (best Lift versus Drag) at an average 128 Smph Ground Speed – as she had been for the first 10-1/2 hours – Amelia’s arrival over Howland would have been 3 or 3.5 Hours after she thought — and when she reported “should be over you but can’t find you” — she was actually still 300 Miles to the West (based on the known performance between Lae and Ontario). So the Electra and whatever bones remain are most likely at the bottom of the ocean anywhere from 50 Miles to 300 Miles West of Howland .. One possibility, which I’ve never seen anyone address, is the possibility of Carbon Monoxide in the Cabin – and lack of sleep – which would have inhibited their ability to think clearly and they lost track of how far away they were and calculations weren’t clearly thought out ..

      • anna says:

        Indeed Mindy…Forrest and Mike Kammerer secreted it away with the treasure which loving guards the Electra…all hidden in plane site

  14. WiseOne says:

    Thanks Forrest and Jenny. It’s Interesting that Rolls Royce has models: “Phantom” & “Ghost.” Maybe that relates to The Phantom poem/scrapbook.

  15. JC1117 says:

    It seems that some people don’t listen very good. I’m one of them at times.

    I don’t want to pick on poor Randy. That guy paid too high a price for his “solution”. It seems that whoever trespassed at San Lazaro was using similar “logic”…or the complete lack thereof.

    It seems to me that Forrest has been very clear about the boundaries of the Treasure Hunt. I enjoy looking in New Mexico…but only within the bounds that Forrest set. It’s crazy that he has to come out with further clarification like this one.

    Personally, I don’t have the time or the money to waste looking in crazy places. I have a hard enough time just paying the mortgage…let alone all of my futility bills. :/

    God knows I’ve paid a lot of futility bills in my lifetime.

    Laugh or cry, man. Laugh or cry.

    Thank You, Forrest and Jenny for the clarification…but not too much…please. 🙂 I want to keep the Treasure in New Mexico nice and safe.

  16. Madesquare says:

    Probably everyone in this hunt knows someone, perhaps even themselves, who has become immune to argument. Luckily most of us don’t take it to this extreme. I think the best thing you can do for your health, your relationships and your hunt is to do what f says to do as nearly as you can.

  17. Sparrow says:

    Thank you Forrest and Jenny.

  18. SL says:

    Can’t think of any one frequent ‘searcher’ who has fallen down as many rabbit holes as I have – Must say I’ve enjoyed each and every one of them.

    Embracing adventures and especially those who’ve helped to make them all possible.

    Hope you feel it!



  19. Mindy says:

    Don’t forget the hood ornament of the Rolls….Nike….

    • Heidini says:

      The hood ornament on the Rolls-Royce was not from Nike it was from his lover.

      From wiki-
      Sykes’ brief from Claude Johnson had been to evoke the spirit of mythical beauty, Nike, whose graceful image was admired in The Louvre, but Sykes was not impressed. He felt that a more feminine representation might be apt.

  20. Mindy says:

    And what’s with al the brands lately? Maybe he’s getting paid for product placement. Lol.

    • anna says:

      Perhaps the end game is a brand, like ff or cc or the cross if Lorraine ( back to back F’s as depicted in TFTW)

  21. Fenngshui says:

    The Rolls Royce statement was also used in a letter he penned ‘Mother of Indiana Jones’ from his blog on the Old Santa Fe Trading site. Dated August 2000

  22. Strawshadow says:

    Thank You Jenny and Mr. Fenn,
    My rule is to not comment on something like this, but like you two, I will make an exception to the rule; No comment.

  23. Iceman says:

    Rolls Royce … refers to a snowmobile (see “snowmobile” in Wikipedia). It’s an inside joke.
    The Ritz Carlton is a reference to the treasure chest. It’s pure indulgence.

  24. Iceman says:

    I am beginning to think f has the treasure site under electronic surveillance. What do you think?

    • Alsetenash says:

      Iceman. I thought of the possibility of some form of detection for the TC for assurance purposes by ff. This article is rather eluditory to that. IMO he tends to speak in form of a vesica piscis speak. Therefore, I tend to think from that lense speak, that he may have a sensor weight for the chest powered by a small solar panel. I don’t really presume a camera but some form of allert sensor. Perhaps even the small panel is a secondary blaze.

      • Alsetenash says:

        I meant solar panel.

        • Iceman says:

          I agree. A solar panel would eliminate the need to make a trek every year to replace batteries. In the book TFTW (or was it TTOTC ) f has a statement that is out of place “be still and watch the trees”. It’s in the trees! The camera or sensor is in the trees. Kids have good eyesight. They would notice it. Kids have an advantage.

        • Iceman says:

          tarry scant => starry => solar (ha!)

          • Alsetenash says:

            Iceman. I am not inclined to think that of in the trees due to the effort that would require. I think a sensor at the chest more likely to sense the chest removal. A solar panel connected to battery at sensor. Probably a rock face I am thinking. With such a profile as this hunt is and all implications of knowing and not knowing whether it was found , it is wise to have some form of notification . It is easy with technology from 2009/2010 onwards tof gps alert sensors. IMO it is just something to think about. It has been 7 years now and perhaps the tech is ge ting past it’s workability and hence the uptick in ff postings to speed along searchers. I just think ff would have a safeguard of some form of assurance of chest . He knows it stands sentinel !

            • Iceman says:

              Perhaps. Anyway good thinking. There is something like that and only time will tell, maybe.

            • Alsetenash says:

              I just think with the amount of time he had to plan and execute this venture, he planned the scenarios. Easy it is to instal sensor, little solar panel and gps tracking. A hole in rock face sun exposure and safe from fires and animals , rain keeps it clean and clear at appropriate angle. I would want to eliminate guessing if it was found or not as much as technically possible. IMO . ” vibration” and “sentinel” are sensory hints. Not that this thinking would aid in a solve but just food for thought.

  25. Iceman says:

    Do you think the bears and weasels noticed they were on camera?

  26. Iceman says:

    I think I’m talking to myself.

  27. B says:

    I have to say, Ms. Kile. You and Mr. Fenn make a great team. 🙂

  28. Iceman says:

    There is at least one hidden meaning to everything f posts (my opinion). He is teasing us searchers and relishes every minute of it.

  29. Iceman says:

    My rule is to not comment on this but spring is still weeks away and I’m getting crazy. Is it spring yet?

  30. Nate Beck says:


    Though I have little interest in contemporary treasures, it seems to me that narrowing down the location like that is a little too specific!

    If I authored a Treasure Hunt of this nature, it would have been “no comment’.

    A little more than generous Mr. Fenn.

  31. Heidini says:

    “Study in futility”stood out for me.

    “The term ‘futility’ is used to refer to the inability of a clinical trial to achieve its objectives. In particular, stopping a clinical trial when the interim results suggest that it is unlikely to achieve statistical significance can save resources that could be used on more promising research.”

    • Passenger says:

      …and his “trial” objective was to confuse searchers who opt for the short cut. Now he knows he’ll survive and potentially pay the political consequences.


  32. Passenger says:

    The San Lazaro Pueblo person is well-known. She has a thread on Dal’s site.

    I understand folks looking outside of Fenn’s map, Rocky Mountains or the 4 states… as there may be hints within the poem that allude to this. At this point however, I can’t imagine a way that Fenn could retreat from the map, even within double entendre duplicity.

    If anyone can see a technicality that renders the Map or Rocky Mountains a red herring…. I’d love to hear about it.


  33. Zaphod73491 says:

    What I find interesting is the dramatically increased rate of these Featured Questions and answers over the last several weeks. It’s almost like Forrest had a backlog that he intended to trickle out over the course of the year, but now suspects the treasure will be found in a matter of months so he’s dumping his queue. Have the Featured Questions ever come out in such rapid succession: 2/18, 2/19, 2/22, 3/8, 3/14, 3/22, 3/24, 3/28? Prior to these 8 over the last 5 1/2 weeks, the last three were on 12/23/2016, 10/18/2016 and 8/26/2016. So something certainly seems to be up.

    • anna says:

      Zaph, yes, some rapid fire from the original Blaze himself. However, from what I’ve observed of Mr. Fenn over the past 4+ years… Nothing he does is haphazard or unplanned. He’s able to fly by the seat of his pants in a premeditated fashion. ( no, I’m not referring back to the bluejeans in his closet. LOL 🙂

  34. Zaphod73491 says:

    Also, those who favor the idea that the treasure must be hidden in Yellowstone had to love this Featured Question for the following 5 words:


    anagrams to



    • anna says:

      Zaphod, great anagram. After ff made remarks to the effect that an erruprion by the Yellowstone super volcano would not harm the treasure chest…i finally moved my chase camp further south.

      • Iceman says:

        Zaphod. I don’t think he said that. Where did you see it?

        • ace 340 says:

          I saw that somewhere also. I think he said it of an eruption under Yellowstone lake.

        • anna says:

          As I recall Forrest’s statement was something similar to…he hid the treasure in the Rocky mountains north of Santa Fe. The city of Santa Fe starts further south and includes El Dorado at Santa Fe. So, technically he could mean north of the southern boundary of the city of Santa Fe rather than 8.25 miles north of the northern boundary of the city of Santa Fe. Right? This has never been clear in my mind. I may be the only ignoramus out there but it’s still unclear to me .

          To further exacerbate others with my not so certain opinions… He could mean he hid the treasure in the text “Rocky Mountains” on his map.

          • tighterfocus says:

            Anna, your first paragraph isn’t important to a good solve, IMO.
            But your second one relates quite well, IMO. Keep thinking.

      • Iceman says:

        The super volcano isn’t expected for another 1000 years. That’s outside the time window f is considering. That’s why it’s not a worry. Yellowstone is in play. Of course that’s just my opinion.

        • thomas says:

          If that volcano go’s off, WOW!! We would have to begin it where the Rockies used to be. Lol, Iceman a little advice, over on Dal’s site if you care, you may watch out what you say to the ones who don’t like bombs if you know what I mean, he’s the one that didn’t like what I said and I was unable to comment back before being banned from the site. Crazy

  35. ace 340 says:

    I have a friend that is a great book collector. I should know, I’ve helped him move them many heavy times. The other day, he as a non believer, saw my TFTW book. He picked it up, and without even opening it he said, “this is a really nice book.” He then fanned through the pages and said again, “this is a really nice book!” As if he was congratulating me for having it. I guess books don’t have to be old to be appreciated. I believe he is now a believer. He can feel it, I could see it in his eyes. Somehow this classy book gave credence for him. And so, congratulations are in order. But not for me,,yet. g

    • ace 340 says:

      Tried to post this on passages three and it didn’t make it through. Don’t know why. I would hate to think that time spent sharing thoughts was ever wasted. g

      • Buckeye Bob says:

        True ace340. I think your friend likes quality and loves books. When someone makes something for public consumption and does it beyond the normal requirements, that says something to that someone’s goals. Was it just for profit or done for the love…the answer is in the product.

  36. SL says:

    Missing pdenver.

    Hurry back!

  37. Iceman says:

    Well now that we’ve figured this one out … I think this is a good time to start working on the Breakfast, Tea & Bourbon treasure hunt. I’ll even help you get started. You’d be looking for a Balinese flute in Michigan!!! (my opinion)

  38. Iceman says:

    Best of luck in all that you drink and always Treasure the Adventure. Sorry that’s just wrong.

  39. Alsetenash says:

    Scrapbook 170 on daneitzel.com. He has stories posted there regularly such as today I looked.

  40. Alsetenash says:

    Oops posted below fore some reason . Stories are on daneitzel.com

  41. Iceman says:

    Never mind. Found it. It’s on Dals site.

  42. pdenver says:

    No one got out because the driver was waiting for someone to enter the Rolls Royce?

  43. Jdiggins says:

    I wondered also about this pdenver. Actually, i thought, “And?”

    Congratulations on your upcoming bundle! My daughter has been in the hospital in labor since yesterday!
    Funny, her first daughter she had on my birthday. Today was my mother’s birthday. 🙂

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      Congrats to both of you. 🙂
      I remember when my wife was having our daughter and it took forever, her brother and his wife visited and his wife swore then and there she was never going through that, lol.

      What’s crazy about you gals is that then you turn right around and do it again!
      I guess men were not meant to understand the girls. Just to luv’em.

      • pdenver says:

        Thank you, Buckeye Bob.

        When a mother holds her child for the first time, all has been forgotten and they’ll do it again, or at least most will.

    • pdenver says:

      Thank you, Jdiggins.

    • Focused says:

      Congrats my friend on your new grandchild…… enjoy your special moments….. have a great night ….until next time… see ya 🙂

  44. Jdiggins says:

    And I’m going easter egg hunting next week! 🙂

  45. Jdiggins says:

    She’s here! Gia Amelia, born at 6:08am, today on my late mothers’ birthday! 🙂
    🙂 🙂

  46. Jdiggins says:

    Thanks everyone! Indeed I am blessed! 🙂

  47. thomas says:

    Fenn knows!

  48. Jeremy P. says:

    When you read The Thrill of the Chase, there’s very few actual mentions of the chest, or the treasure hunt. I think there’s only two outside of the chapter Gold And More. In that chapter, aside from the poem, you’re given only one statement as to its location: “It’s in the mountains somewhere north of Santa Fe.” It’s the only fundamental, plain-spoken guideline included in the book.

    The problem with ignoring this prime directive is the “Problem of Induction”. There are gazillions of places that treasure chest may be. It could possibly be anywhere at all, even your own back yard. People love possibilities and they like to celebrate possibilities through Fenn’s treasure hunt. That’s great, but… You can not, in however many lifetimes, check every single possibility out.

    Not here. Nope, not here either. Nope, not here… on and on times infinity.

    You must have some basis for the exclusion of possibilities.

    Karl Popper, a philosopher of science, noted that it would be impossible to observe all swans that exist, or have existed, in order to justify the truth of the statement that “all swans are white.” That’s how science is supposed to work, by making observations. Observing that this swan is white, and this one too, is the process of induction, or verification. Unfortunately, you can’t possibly observe them all, so there is no way to verify the statement that “all swans are white”.

    Popper realized that science doesn’t actually progress by verification. It works by disproving concepts, falsification. We don’t need to observe every swan that has ever existed to disprove the idea that “all swans are white”. A single counterexample disproves that idea. Instead of looking at every swan, we only have to look for a single black one (there are, in fact, black swans in Australia). The existence of a single non-white swan disproves the statement, and science progresses ever so slightly.

    The point being, we don’t have to entertain the idea that the treasure chest is south of Santa Fe. It is falsified. It is excluded. It is the Very First Exclusion, in fact. Others came later, below 5,000 ft. Above 10,200 ft., outhouses, etc., but this was the very first one.

    Don’t get me wrong. I walk around saying, “anything is possible!” same as the next positive and upbeat guy. In reality, though, not everything is actually possible and some things are far more likely than others. If you don’t want to waste your time, short cuts, like falsifiability are your friends. South of Santa Fe disproves your theory that the treasure chest is there, and you don’t even need to waste a trip to go and look. It is really the only way to make any progress.

    • Alsetenash says:

      Metatron Cube is the premise of all things physics. Observe this geometry in the micro and macro. It is the physics of everything ,
      where as a theory is just a theory. It is base-12 plus 1. There is addition, multiplication and division; there is not subtraction. This is the magnificence of the 3 , 6 ,9.

    • Lia says:

      Jeremy, thanks for weighing in with relevant information and reasoning. I appreciate your thoughts. Here’s the rub… look at the Santa Fe city limit map that I’ve attached. Keep in mind that Forrest is a flyer that most likely flew more than he drove. His idea of “north of Santa Fe” could mean anywhere north of the Santa Fe airport or any other point of reference in the Santa Fe metro area.

      • Jeremy P. says:

        He’s refined it to “more than 8.25 miles north of the northern limits of Santa Fe”, so that would be the point of reference. If that still seems a little fuzzily defined, then maybe there’s your clue. He may be saying that the boundary doesn’t matter because it is in fact much further north.

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      Doesn’t it seem like there should be a better way than looking for things that aren’t it?
      I’m not arguing your point, Jeremy, just saying that a good quest puzzle should have ways to point to the finish. 15 years can make for some interesting things hidden in the puzzle.

      • Jeremy P. says:

        I don’t see any reason it can’t be both. “It is not here because here has been ruled out” and also “It may be here because it matches this clue”. That seems like a perfectly reasonable way to conduct a treasure hunt.

  49. Passenger says:

    I’m wondering who here is a physics whiz, completely understands Euclidean geometry and M-Theory but just can’t get the ToE?


    • Buckeye Bob says:

      Let me think about that one for a while. lol

    • pdenver says:

      Do you, Passenger?

      • Passenger says:

        Strangely enough, I’ve disinterred the ToE, it’s just the mathematical unification that remains elusive.

        pdenver. You live in a beautiful area.

        • pdenver says:

          Colorado is a beautiful place, and I hope you’ll see more of it if you don’t live in the state.

        • Alsetenash says:

          Passenger. To me it is not sacred geometry, it is not numerology that I speak of. It is bas-12 math. We base our math on base-10. We did this , developed our math of base-10 because we had/have 10 fingers! The natural base of all things of matter in form is base -12. It is therefore elusive to the ToE to achieve mathematical unification because it is not synergistic to the natural law base-12. Base-12 is all around us in plain sight everywhere everyday. Even FF poem is! Theories will remain as theories using base-10. I was responding to a physics question. I do apply base-12 to everything and FF poem. Cheers!

  50. ROLL TIDE says:

    Where does a redneck and a Skoal can fit into all of that ?

    • ROLL TIDE says:

      Testing. Comment posted, been having problems.

      • ROLL TIDE says:

        Hmmm… let’s see if we can go for three.

        anna, the info you asked about can be found over at Dal’s, under Fundamental Guidelines. Doesn’t use the word ‘city’ but, it seems clear that was his intent.

        Jenny, comments appear to be back on track but, still showing that gremlin guarding the gate at contact.

  51. thomas says:

    “The Thrill of the Chase,” wow! Real fast just wanted to answer a quick question from Roll Tide, well only the redneck one, Forrest answered a question about who would be the buyer of his book The Thrill of the Chase, his answer was every redneck with a pickup truck. Let me say this one thing with out those people who jump in and correct me on Fenn’s exact words, you see, I like Forrest only made it to the eighth grade before leaving school, I speak English but not big word English, so I say what I need to that can be understood, meaning someone may come back with, Mr Fenn actually if you want to be technical said, “Every redneck in Texas with a pickup truck”. Well I didn’t want to be technical and if the word technical didn’t pop up after I typed tec, I most likely would have spelled it wrong. The redneck at the end will be the one to solve this poem, I believe that and that whisper from Forrest tells me he fills the same way. Forrest talks a lot about himself making D’s and F’s and about spelling words wrong, I would never think about my spelling mistakes if it wasn’t for the one that know what I’m trying to say but just has to comment about the word I didn’t spell right, sorry, spelled wright, what ever. Ok my point is every puzzle has it’s difficulties and the biggest players are the book worms who do it to sharpen the brain they say. A man without a lot of education should never comment back to the smart guy because in front of everyone he will destroy you with the big words you know, I feel in a way Forrest created this poem just for those guys, the over thinkers who will never figure it out, time and time again he says don’t mess with the poem or over think it, but still they do. What if it’s so simple a redneck with a pickup truck could follow it straight to the chest. Sorry Alsetenash, just using you for an example, your comment above, what are you talking about man? You did use the word poem but I believe that is the only word I understand. Forrest would not base his poem on something he doesn’t even understand, he made it simple knowing over thinkers and word correcters would never figure it out even if it’s right in front of you, because in your mind it can’t be that easy. I can’t pronounce all the words highly educated people write but looking back on their comments and solves are comical. Sweet revenge for Forrest watching this unfold, and the type of people with high IQ’s who made fun of his spelling errors call him master Fenn. WOW!!

    • ROLL TIDE says:

      I agree. It will most likely be some redneck who will walk with confidence to the location of the treasure.
      I don’t see it being someone with a Phd from Harvard or Yale.
      In the end, it will be such a simple solution that it will surprise all of us.

      Being somewhat of a redneck backwoods hillbilly from Bama, we always fixed our own cars under a shade tree, with nothing but the knowledge that came from fixing our own cars under some shade tree, or wherever it was that they broke down at.

      It will not be a rocket scientist that figures this one out.

    • Alsetenash says:

      Hello Thomas. I am all smiles to your comment of me and your writ about this. Thank you! Actually I just barely made it through high school but I did graduate. I only have a high school diploma. I worked full time during high school to support myself and had a C average grade. I am just well read; meaning I read a lot and never watched much TV-just a lot of movies. My siblings are well educated and think of me as a redneck lol. We all are born with a specific gift of wisdom/ knowing and intelligence. Formal education has nothing to do with a measurement of a persons smarts nor the words they can use and say. I was answering a physics question that I know some insight about. I know not all things of that topic . I do view things at the most basic level because confusion arises through complex thinking. The root of all things is really simple. So, this poem is really best to look at it in the most simple way. Whether FF used with intent base-12 thinking in his poem of 9 clues or not, doesn’t matter. For it is the base of all things ,even language. He has 9 Clues in the poem. IMO. He has 3 specific points of clues of location. He as 6 clues as supportive descriptions of those 3 . So, each 3 main clue has 2 clues each of supportive descriptions. That is the 3,6 and 9; that is the basis of base-12. Not difficult, just something I follow as a guideline. . I am not trying to sound like a smarty pants guy, for I am as simple as they come. I prefer simplicity but I can also be complex in thinking if needs be.Perhaps I am the unemployed redneck that will walk right up to the chest. I don’t have 12 kids, nor a pick up truck. I have a midsize SUV and I understand the simplicity of base-12 math. Honored is you from me for who you are and not for what the who we are thinking we are not. I am just a well read, redneck. Cheers!

  52. SL says:

    Can anyone explain the following message that suddenly ‘appeared’ when I was penning a comment about an earlier post and link in reference to “LOBO”?


    When I attempted to copy and paste…. it disappeared.


    • ROLL TIDE says:

      Lots of abnormal things going on as of late, here and elsewhere.
      And from my end, all of the problems I encounter have been associated with chase-related websites only.
      Keeping a close eye on security would seem to be advisable.

  53. SL says:


    I was penning an addition to my earlier ‘LOBO’ post.( Specific historic New Mexico location area of where the story took place).

    I’ve not experienced this occurrence before.

    Just noticed that the above isn’t exactly what appeared originally.


  54. SL says:


    An historical example of my failed penning addition regarding LOBO which I feel is important. At least to me.


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