Featured Question and Weekly Words from Forrest Fenn: Little Girl From India

thrill of the chase treasureMr. Fenn, you’ve undoubtedly met countless numbers of us searchers (via email), is there anyone who stands out in your mind, and if so, why? ~ Doug


Many stick out in my mind Doug, but especially the fictitious little girl from India who Jenny invented.f



The above Featured Question is also Weekly Words from Forrest for August 12th, 2016. The complete list is here:

Weekly Words From Forrest Fenn

and the link to Featured Questions is here:

Featured Questions (category)

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225 Responses

  1. Dan says:

    I guess that little girl is pretty special! Thank you Jenny, Mr. Fenn and Doug!

  2. Chesney says:

    Thank you for the Weekly Words Ms.Kile, Mr. Fenn, and Doug… maybe we should have dug further in? Just a thought! 🙂 Have a Safe and Enjoyable Weekend Everyone!!!

    • slycoyote says:

      Yes, perhaps we should dig deeper indeed. Why else would she make a reappearance unless the master thought we had not seen the true point of her?

      • Chesney says:

        If you are a SlyCoyote indeed, why don’t you have Indulgence in your posession? I can catch the “Slyest Coyote” there is in a trap! I will just pull a “Looney Tunes” Roadrunner on ya, and drop an Acme anvil on that… 🙂 All in good fun… Happy Hunting and be safe!

  3. jackson says:

    Okee Dokee 😉

  4. JD says:

    Other than the “Little Girl from India, who could not get any closer than two clues, the only things that stuck out were the words “Fictitious” and “Invented” I also found “Doug” interesting since Doug = u Dog 🙂

    “Fictitious” What did he say about Fiction writers? They only have to tell the truth 85% of the time?…or something like that.
    “Invented” – Something created out of the mind.
    What did u Dog, create in his mind that need be only 85% accurate? Interesting???

    • JL says:

      You say Doug= uDog…………………… could it also = u Dog u since the 85/15 rule has already been applied?

      • lia says:

        Hmm JL,
        f.invented, fin vented. F invent Ed
        In D/A, curry, horn of India, elephant sedans, etc. let’s give ff credit for being a level-headed, good guy.

        All kinds of fun here besides insinuating Forrest is calling somebody a dog or dogging someone. Really?? I hope not JL. That would destroy who I believe he is frim his memoirs and seen in interviews.

        • lia says:

          “From” correction

        • JL says:

          Hi Lia,
          I think maybe you misunderstood what is implied, or more like that was not the intended meaning……………….none of it pertained to anything sexual, as far as F he with have to speak for himself because I dont even want to go there.

          • Lia says:

            JL, right. Didn’t assume you were implying sexual, just surprised you thought he was saying u-dog. Seems out of character for a guy who said beware of mud (slinging) [paraphrase].

            Just sorry I took time to read this blog today. Makes me wonder what is real, who can be trusted, is any of it real.

            Rather than wish you luck, I wish you a healthy dose of discernment.

  5. DPT says:

    What? Are you serious?

    You and Jenny created a fictitious girl in India and have all of the searchers guessing and analyzing those words for a couple months now? Is this just a game to mess with people?

    I am not amused. And I KNOW that you work with others behind the scenes Forrest. Their are unfair advantages to some behind the scenes, and I KNOW this as fact. I have seen some of the communications.

    Lieing is not my idea of fun. I am officially out of this chase. I have much bigger and better things to do. Adios!!

    • Chesney says:

      Wow…I wouldn’t have given up that easy! He only has to be correct 85 percent of the time. If he does things “behind the scenes”, why hasn’t he just told someone where to go get the chest from? Best of Luck!

      • DPT says:

        Chesney, I have not given up that easy. I have been in this chase for over a year now and have spent countless hours researching and thinking. If a searcher does not know what to believe how can you advance? Not knowing what is true and false is not a game I wish to play. And Chesney, why would you tell someone straight up where the chest is? This is clearly a game to Forrest. Where is the fun in that?

        Thanks for your time Forrest and Jenny. I had some good times along the way, but this game has suddenly become crystal clear to me and not one I want to be in.

        • Coldplay says:

          Who told you to go and analyse anything doofus..?
          In fact I’m sure we’ve been told all we need to analyse is the poem….

        • Chesney says:

          DPT, what I am saying is that Mr. Fenn sometimes makes up questions and answers them to his liking. He does it to give out subtle hints, to aid in the search. He is having fun, but he would like to see it found. All IMO.

          • Seeker says:

            How do you know fenn makes up questions? Seriously… don’t hide behind those three little letters I.M.O. and make a statement like that without some kind of confirmation to back it up.

        • Crow says:

          ff stated somewhere that the blogs were for reading entertainment.

    • Jeremy P. says:

      DPT, when the girl was mentioned she was represented as a hypothetical by Jenny to Forrest as an example case for him to consider. No lies involved.

      • DPT says:

        My Apologies!!!

        Thank you Jeremy for pointing this out to me. I went back and reread the little girl from India. It was a hypothetical representation. I was wrong and for that I apologize Forrest and Jenny!

        Jeremy P. I always enjoy your posts and you are clearly here a voice of reason. Thank you.

        I obviously have too much information in this small brain of mine. It is getting all blurred together. Time to step away for awhile and clear my head. Forrest warned us of that and it has happened to me.

        My sincerest apologies Forrest and Jenny!!!

        • Jeremy P. says:

          You’re very welcome.

          ( psst… She’s totally real 🙂 )

          • Twingem says:

            haha! That’s beautiful Jeremy.

            Forrest, thank you for restirring the pot with what has been the biggest distraction in the chase IMO. Best fly ever tied. Gives me peace of mind that I don’t need to rush this weekend with botg.

      • Crow says:

        Analyze it – after the first two clues you probably need BOG.

    • Seeker says:

      Prove your knowledge…DPT. if you have the guts to make these accusations… have the guts to back it up.

    • lia says:

      So does Jenny know where the bronze box is? How often does she post under forrests name? Are they in this together or what?

      • DPT says:

        No, I believe Jenny nor anyone else knows where the chest is except Forrest.
        I created this firestorm so now I need to put it out.

        I think Forrest has accidentally given a hint thru different communications, but I don’t believe it was intentional.

  6. Jeremy P. says:


  7. Carolyn says:

    Don’t let the door hit u in the behind DPT

    • Chesney says:

      Now Carolyn, we must play nice… especially with angry people. Maybe they need a toke off of Mr. Fenn’s prized “Sitting Bull’s Peace Pipe”. He once wrote that Native Americans smoked 4 different types of tobacco. 🙂

      • Carolyn says:

        Chesney, that was nice. It could have been worse. Nobody is forced to play this game. Nobody knows the answers except Forrest so it’s a fair game. Imo

        • Chesney says:

          I agree Carolyn. This is the same reason I would rather talk on the phone to someone, rather thatn text. So much can be taken “out of context”. You need tone of voice to tell what is being said sometimes.

  8. JL says:

    Well I guess that explains why she couldn’t get any closer than the first two clues. That was just the first chapter, Jenny needs to write more chapters…………………..

  9. Strawshadow says:

    Thanks Jenny, again, Doug, Mr. Fenn, oh and what the hay DPT,
    Nothing so exciting as a repeat, maybe not an exact replica ora mirrored image but a similar repetition of a past scene. Being ever so observant, my first inclination would be a question as well as statement. Why, I never knew India was so green?

    • Strawshadow says:

      Oh, I can see I’m missing an “a”, seems I missed a few of those meany times along the way. Unlike Mr. Fenn, I’ve never met anyone through email. Oh wait I did once, she was nice, we communicated often for weeks. A real beauty with an angelic photo. Unfortunately she wasn’t who she seemed. Luckily, I got the weeby jeebies and stopped our communications. It was just a few weeks later that her named appeared all over town, she and an accomplice had been arrested, they had killed her husband. I apologize for taking up so much space and that like my story is real.

    • Jamie Jones says:

      Little girls from India are Batik when they’re Green…or so I have read 😉

  10. Confirmation bias, I guess…I read this and the only thing that really sticks out to me is, “…why..”.
    Mr. Fenn answered the first part of the question (who?), but did not answer the second part of the question (why). Perhaps Mr. Fenn does not see this as “why”, but as “Y”….or he wants us to see it that way.

  11. Forrest Fenn says:

    No subtrifuge intended. I’ll take the blame for the confusion. f

    • Strawshadow says:

      Now I’m stumped since I never noticed the subterfuge or the confusion. Thanks Mr. Fenn for clarifying what I never saw.

    • DPT says:

      No, I am sorry Forrest. I mistakenly remembered incorrectly. The blame is all mine. You did not try to deceive today and I see that now. I believe you are a good man and have always tried to do your best. I misjudged you today and it was my fault. I hope it was just a bad start of the day for me. I am not usually like that. And if you have read some of the other information that I have posted you know that I respect you.

      Sorry again Forrest!!

      • The Wolf says:

        Wow DPT that was a shocker, I always thought you had your head screwed on right. After that response, I am prompted to ask, how will you (a seemingly normal person) react if the chest is found? How will the less stable masses react to that news? Gold fever is a crazy thing, after your reaction to that little misinterpretation, I can only imagine nothing but pure pandemonium.

        • DPT says:

          The Wolf,
          You are correct in your analysis of me. I am known as level headed and always do the right thing. I am a pacifist.

          I needed to listen to my own rule and not type or blog without thinking it through first.

          As far as my reaction if someone was to find the treasure today? I would congratulate them because it is not an easy task. They would earn my respect and applause. I would be happy for them.

          My apologies all.

          • BW says:

            Insert foot, chew well………at some point in our lives we have all been guilty of hoof and mouth disease, I know I have. Spit it out and go forward.

        • Crow says:

          The Wolf, that is a good and important point. So much superiority around and sense of being the best and entitled with ‘the solve’, I think we all need to back up and address ourselves to how we each would respond if someone else found the chest. It took me a while to figure out how I would feel. The chase was to be adventurous and fun – not high risk nor a money pit.

    • Nemo says:

      Got it. Thank you Mr. Fenn

    • Joe says:

      What do these alphabetic characters have in common? A, F, H, I (font dependent), K, and N. What is missing?

      It took me two years and nearly a handful of searches, but I finally got it through my thick skull “I” was wrong. Since then, I seek the answer to “Why?”
      Be safe.

    • JC1117 says:

      Thank You, Forrest Fenn, Sir. No subtrifuge taken. Please allow me to introspect myself. My name is JC1117. I don’t believe we’ve met…or maybe we have…have we? I’m thinking we have, but I can’t quite put my finger on it.

      Thanks again, Forrest, Jenny, Doug, Little girl from India, Et Al…

    • Passenger says:

      Thanks Forrest,

      The Little Girl from India answer inferred that one could not extract the TC location from home. We understand that there is a desire to get folks out into the mountains. Realistically however, not many will fork out the expenses to travel without a confident location solved. The LGFI answer seemed to undermine that and caused many of us distress. Since it seems to have bothered you as well, would you care to elaborate on your intended meaning?


    • lifesablaze says:

      Oh, my head is spinning! My father had a centrifuge. Mr. Fenn, I will have to tell you the story of George and Patsy and my brother Charles, sometime. So many ghosts. So many strange things happening in the last 2 weeks. The creeks are starting to clear though and India is not so far away anymore. Hey, has anyone ever questioned the weather man and whether the some of the gold has a curse or some type of energy attached to it? I’m just saying…I saw a blackwitch moth up there.

    • Amunn says:

      I would think that you would fly straight and narrow

  12. Seannm says:


    We had finally got that little girl down from her sugar high and to bed, now you barge into her room turning on the light and tripping over her electronic toys.


  13. Helen says:

    That Little Girl From India has had more of an adventure than most of us! Hunters have variously accused her of all sorts of things. One blogger even tried to bump her off. Forrest claims that she is a figment of Jenny’s imagination. I feel that there is more to her than meets the eye. She can get within 200 feet of the chest full of gold.


    • Strawshadow says:

      Ellen, 200 feet might be a stretch, however, I catch your drift. With so many conflicting comments here, I take comfort in knowing that my opinions may be fluid as well. Like Cassius Clay or Mohammad Ali, either way, no less than a couple thought he was the greatest. Have a great weekend all, I’m sure we can all agree on that.

    • slycoyote says:

      Helen, you are correct. Someone did try to kill off poor little India Girl. I wonder if her resurrection should be seen as a rebuke from the master? Perhaps some are not as wise in the ways of the chase as they believe themselves to be.

  14. 23kachinas says:

    Same same but different.

  15. Buckeye Bob says:

    Here’s my take.
    1) The little girl from India can’t get any closer than the first two clues because she’s stuck in India.
    2) This likely means that she can’t “put in below the home of Brown.” (Someone else said this back then.)
    3) If that’s true, then there are two clues before that line in the poem, “Put in below the home of Brown” then being the third clue.
    4) We seekers can’t get any closer either, if we don’t get off our computers and get out there.
    —4A) Of course, there are often reasons for not getting out there, like travel and expenses and such-like excuses. Those are just more obstacles to overcome.

    But lets be smart and be safe. We don’t need spelunking gear or pack mules for this.

  16. Mindy says:

    I love the highlighted map! India really sticks out from the innocuos background, doesn’t it? Thanks Forrest and Jenny and ~Doug!

    PS : The y also sticks out in my Mind.

    • astree says:

      … in m YMIND …
      … in my MIND D …


      • Passenger says:


        I also found the “boat” that I see you discovered a few years back. I actually think it’s important. Doesn’t seem like anyone caught it. Have you given any thought to what otra might mean (beside “another, other,” etc.)…or if letters need to be added to it? That line is likely the last line in the poem — and that is telling.

        I’ve found a few places with those boats abandoned. BTW, that boat will float.

        Feel free to email me: chris.ryan.gins@gmail.com


      • Passenger says:

        My ere
        ere is the past…


        • pdenver says:

          I’ve read some of Mindy’s comments in the past on how she follows her beliefs to figuring out the poem. I’ve reread the response to 6 questions in regards to the little India girl. Going back to just days ago from the previous Featured Questions/Surprise Words, I’m wondering if there’s a connection to all three/four in regards to TTOTC book. Not sure.

    • Mike Forni says:

      Hi Mindy,

      Are you referring to the highlighted map in TFTW? If so, where do you see India?


      • Mike Forni says:

        Mindy, perhaps you were referring to Jenny’s picture? Mike

      • Mindy says:

        No, I’m not referring to the highlighted map in TFTW. I don’t think that’s the “right” map, although it may be a “good” map.
        And India isn’t the main hint here, in my opinion, although it may be a hint.
        In my opinion, the hint might be the picture Jenny posted, if F provided it. If Jenny just picked a random map from the Internet, I might be wrong.
        Who knows? Maybe we all should be talking to trees and grass. Because they know… 🙂

    • Passenger says:


      I also found the “boat” that I see you discovered a few years back. I actually think it’s important. Doesn’t seem like anyone caught it. Have you given any thought to what otra might mean (beside “another, other,” etc.)…or if letters need to be added to it? That line is likely the last line in the poem — and that is telling.

      I’ve found a few places with those boats abandoned. BTW, that boat will float.

      Feel free to email me: chris.ryan.gins@gmail.com


  17. Joe Sparrow says:

    The search for the treasure has slowly affected my mind. I read Forrest’s statement above and all I come away
    with is: “yes. Elma.” I must be losing it.

  18. Snuff says:

    Hi f,
    Do you own a waterbed? Thanks for the good vibes.

  19. The Wolf says:

    Is it jut me or are the “Poem Purists”, who have triumphantly boasted their dominance over those who were silly enough to imagine, are now coming across a little testy of late? Looks like that “after the fact” information is starting to look more like fact…

  20. Jamie Jones says:

    Will someone please show/share a license with the girl already!???! Enough enoughs. Where’s Nowhack? Lmao

  21. Jeremy P. says:


    • Terry S. Kant says:

      Her Fennboree t-shirt design over at Dal’s got a lot of votes if I remember correctly. 😳


  22. 777 says:

    Am I the only one to notice FF spelling of “subtrifuge?”

  23. Washaufizzi says:

    IMHO TLGFI must reside near where the second clue leaves off; Just west of the Taj Mahal that Omar built to exacting proportions. I just need to grab another sandwich and get mine. Hopefully, you’d See me back in the Cool kid Club before some black haired raven runs off with the treasure prior to me getting there. I hated leaving The Club in the first place. Hopefully, I’ll gain some traction, like the other studs that have nailed it down. I’m getting tired of sitting around here playing Cowboys and Indians with horseshoes (and hand grenades) while waiting for the whole thing to blow up. Why do I feel that this whole stinking thing is leaving me up a creek without a paddle and I’m just going to get stuck in the mud like Fenn.

    Mr. Fenn, Were you ever in the club? I’m not trying to lead a horse to water, or find out why the chicken crossed the road, but I have often questioned how many cows have drowned trying to get a drink of water?

  24. LitterateOne says:

    Dear Mr. Forrest Fenn,

    You have said that the words in your poem may just look like simple words, but you spent many years perfecting them even looking up their meanings because as you said we don’t really understand their meanings and sometimes use them erroneously. With this said would it be fair to say that one of the keys to deciphering those words within the poem that will get one closer to the chest is a good understanding of proper English grammar? Thank you, ill-LitterateOne.

    • Passenger says:

      Last time I checked “flutterby” wasn’t proper English grammar.

      We might ask: Does punctuation or lack thereof play a role in the solve? Does the poem font play a role in the solve?


      • LitterateOne says:


        While I agree “flutterby” isn’t a word, that wasn’t my question to Mr. Fenn. It is fair to say by his comments and actions that the meaning of words are important to Forrest and thus should also be to us when deciphering the poem. But beyond the meaning of words do we not also need a good understanding of grammar which is the whole system and structure of a language in particular the English language. When each and every one of us first read the poem we made uneducated assumptions about the meaning of key lines and or words in the poem, these ideas have been echoed throughout the blogs and have only entrench those theories. What I ask of Mr Fenn and quiet possible all of us in the community is should we not be closely looking at the meaning of words, and how they interact with one another (grammar)?

        “So hear me all and listen good” Do we fully understand the difference between the two?


        • Passenger says:

          I understand LitterateOne…. sorry, I didn’t mean to discount the question. I think that anyone who is serious about this hunt has likely looked up the meaning of every word in the poem, regardless of familiarity.

          Proper grammar is always evolving however, so in my opinion it would be tough to base a solve rule on it unless he’s trying specifically for archaic grammar. Example: “Where” is not equal to “in which” in archaic English grammar. This might make sense however if you add in “sand”.


      • JD says:

        IMHO if you follow the punctuation you end up with nine sentences which equal nine clues – No, I do not think that the font plays a role.

  25. lifesablaze says:

    Oh, my head is spinning! My father had a centrifuge. Mr. Fenn, I will have to tell you the story of George and Patsy and my brother Charles, sometime. So many ghosts. So many strange things have been happening in the last 2 weeks. The creeks are starting to clear though and India is not so far away anymore. Hey, has anyone ever questioned the weather man and whether some of the gold has a curse or some type of energy attached to it? I’m just saying…I saw a blackwitch moth up there!

  26. Jake Faulker says:

    Forrest is having a lot of fun with the lark of Jenny.
    Just keeps on giving & giving.

  27. B says:

    Thank you for the reminder, Mr. Fenn. And thank you Ms. Kile and Doug.

  28. William says:

    I like popcorn with ranch powder on it!

  29. Iron Will says:

    I’ll weigh in on this for the sake of group consensus.

    First,…. and this is just my take or opinion… the grill in India (sorry, I’m a gamer) 🙂 So many people have wondered about that question Jenny posed here… http://mysteriouswritings.com/six-questions-with-forrest-fenn-over-five-years-of-the-thrill-of-the-chase/
    What I finally saw in Forrest’s answer was how he compared it to disabled people. He mentions there are so many disabled people who are searchers like us, that can’t get out there (boots on ground) and they are enjoying trying to find the treasure using maps and geography research. But, they generally cannot get out there because they are still disabled. The girl from India is then mentioned that she cannot get closer than the first two clues. So most people think the first two clues are “home researched” and the rest are BOTG (boots on the ground). But I offer a different answer that ties hand in hand with the disabled comment. What if she cannot get closer than the first 5 clues? or the first clue? or all 9 clues? I don’t think the number of clues matter. Why? Because despite how many clues she solves she can get no closer…because she is STILL in India. I believe Forrest said 2 clues to test his fishing skills.

    Second,…. and associated with that question was I wish I had another treasure to hide in the Appalachians.
    I think this is directed to someone. Now I live in Virginia, one of the homes of the Appalachians, but I do not wish to suppose that someone is me. It could’ve been meant for someone else in one of the many states involved with it. Why do I think this? Because of the girl from India. If she sticks out in his mind so much, and if India is so important… then why not put the other treasure in the Himalayas? There are millions more people in India who would search for it, than the U.S. Anyhow, that one I just wanted to touch on.

    Third, ….maybe I’m reading into something that’s not there, but I find it an extremely strange coincidence that just 2 1/2 days after I explained the girl in India over on that page, and mentioned Lady Douglas on this week’s surprise words, that Doug came out with a question and the girl from India was brought into focus. Now I’m sure a character named “Doug” is going to appear magically and chime in saying something like, “Nah Will, it was totally my question I asked him.” , but doesn’t that seem just a little strange?

    Last, …. and this one is a fact, not opinion. Forrest has shown all of you a map of India. Most of you have no idea that this happened, but I am guessing a small percentage of you do. I won’t tell you where it is, because this is his fishing expedition… not mine. But I would guess if you let your imagination soar (or fly), it’s there for anyone to see… even the little girl in India. Oh wait I forgot… she’s not real. I.W.

    When they tell you it isn’t real, remember, it’s still real.

    • Spallies says:

      Wow Will! Lot’s of interesting stuff… I thought also that maybe he was talking to some on in the Appalachians. Anyone here from there or visiting there the time this came out?

    • Jeremy P. says:

      Yes, Guy From Virginia, there is a Little Girl From India. She exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Little Girl from India.

    • Passenger says:

      He has mentioned disabled people as a clue long before the Little Girl in India question. I think Appalachians prior as well…. Anybody?


    • Crow says:

      Iron Will, There are so many mountains that could have a treasure. I would love to chase through the Appalachian Mountains. The girl from India might enjoy the Himalayas. Then again, there are many more globally, like the Doi Inthanon. It would be nice if either the chest would move around for everyone to get a chance or be somehow divided with a little in every range. 🙂

  30. HeadedDown says:

    Mr Fenn, how about a real answer to Doug’s question. The little girl from India doesn’t even qualify. Which of us ficticious characters sticks out in your mind? Positive thoughts.

  31. Diggin gypsy says:

    Wow I missed alll the fun Ok so who made the girl be from India Forrest or jenny ????? Which part did jenny contribute to the story ??? This is where things get way outta whack . Jenny or Forrest need to let us know who made
    Up what part 🙂 and DPT we all get like you every now and then it’s from the hours we spend thinking and analyzing for years on end 🙂 hang in there 🙂

    • Mindy says:

      Hi Jenny,
      I’m sorry to ask you this, but Diggin and I wanted to know if you can confirm that you picked this picture from the Internet, or did Forrest give it to you or suggest it?

      • Jenny Kile says:

        Hi Mindy,
        I picked the image. Thanks ~jenny

        • DPT says:

          Hi Jenny,

          I was hoping you could answer Diggin Gypsys question above.

          Who created the little girl from India? Why India and not another country like Europe, China or Africa?

          Did Forrest suggest a little girl from India or was that your creation only?

          Thanks in advance!

    • slycoyote says:

      Yes, where does Mr Fenn end, and Ms. Kile begin? It would be most unfortunate to build one’s solve based on something which did not come from the master himself.

  32. Joe Sparrow says:

    i just called Punjab, India. The operator asked “Which Sikh do you seek?”

  33. Washaufizzi says:

    Or you might have called “Little India” advertantly.


  34. Mark J says:

    Very diplomatic answer.

  35. Ramona says:

    Thank you Jenny, Forrest, and Doug. Have a great weekend all.

  36. Snider says:

    Dear Forrest,
    I get the point, I nead to read the book.
    Why am I so stubbern. All along you said to use TTOTC, the poem, and a good map, or google earth. Know wonder I can’t find it???
    This will put me way behind, I will have to postpone until next spring.
    I just realized how foolish I am.

  37. Crazyfamily says:

    This is Forrests mirror. He’s not the one who has the recurring thoughts of The Little Girl From India, it’s the searchers who are obsessed with a fictitious searcher, the little girl from India, who can’t get past the first two clues. Ahh, but one can…good night searchers, goodnight Jenny, goodnight little girl from India, goodnight Forrest.

  38. cowboy says:


  39. Jeremy P. says:

    A boy from Waxahatchee, an Arab kid from Marrakech, and a little girl from India are all training to be police detectives. The class instructor shows them each a photo and says, “This is your suspect. Look at the photo very closely.”

    He turns to the boy from Waxahatchee and says, “You first. How would recognize him?”

    “Easy! We’ll catch him quick because he only has one eye!” says the boy.

    The instructor looks at the photo for a moment and sees that it is a mug shot showing only one side of the suspect’s face. He looks at the boy in disgust for a moment, and then turns to the kid from Marrakech. “You’re next. How would you recognize him?”

    The Arab kid looks at the photo and says, “Ha! Piece of cake. He only has one ear!”

    The instructor shakes his head. “What’s the matter with you two?”

    Sighing, he turns to the little girl from India. “Please, girl, help me out. How would you recognize this suspect?”

    The little girl looks at the photo. She takes several minutes and stares intently. Suddenly her face lights up and she says, “Sir, we would know this man because he wears contact lenses!”

    The instructor is shocked at the answer, because he doesn’t actually know whether the suspect wears contact lenses.

    “That’s… that’s very interesting,” he says. “Wait here, I’ll check his file.”

    He leaves the room and after a few moments comes back smiling.

    “Wow, that’s amazing!” he says. “The suspect does indeed wear contact lenses. How on earth did you make that observation?”

    “That’s easy,” she replies. “He can’t wear regular glasses because he only has one eye and one ear.”

    This, my friends, is the real reason TLGFI can’t solve past the first two clues 🙂

    (adapted from an old joke)

  40. Buckeye Bob says:

    I think I’ve got this. And thanks to Iron Will and Washaufizzi for getting my head turned in the right direction.
    If you look at longitudes of eastern most and western most India, and at the Rockies, it becomes clear that the eastern most edge of India is closer to the Rockies. And also, no matter where the Little Girl From India is inside India, she will always be closer to the Rockies in the eastern direction (this is a separate point and equally important).
    You have to do the math on longitudes to realize this, as using Google Earth and spinning the world around to see both India and the Rockies can be deceiving like riding a backwards bike.

    This is a big hint to the solve, in my opinion.
    Since the above is true, and since Forrest says that the Little Girl From India cannot get closer than the second clue, that means that the rest of the solve MUST BE east of the second clue. Otherwise, the LGFI could get closer to the treasure by moving to the western most part of India (if the treasure were west of the second clue.

    This also clues to the Appalachians. If the treasure were there, then the LGFI could actually get close to the treasure by moving to the eastern most part of India, if the treasure were west of the second clue as I say it must be since the treasure hunt is in the Rockies. But the treasure is in the Rockies, and therefore the LGFI cannot get closer than the second clue.

    You have to do the math, using “Roseline” (0°) and 180° (which runs through the Pacific Ocean and the eastern most tip of northern Asia, as a reference.

    Do you see some of Forrest’ hints coming together here?
    -The LGFI,
    -The Appalachians
    -The backwards bike (although I’m not sure of this one, or at least that it only pertains to this subject)
    Maybe others?
    Forrest is not simple in his hints.
    But the end result is that the rest of the solve has to be west of the second clue, and so too the treasure itself.

    Just my opinion, of course.

    (Note to Iron Will: Can you provide a link to your “Lady Douglas” post? I do think Forrest does that sort of thing (Doug), has been all along, I think. I think you were probably very close as you were here.)

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      Darn it, in the end I meant that:
      But the end result is that the rest of the solve has to be EAST (not west) of the second clue, and so too the treasure itself.

    • Iron Will says:

      this weeks surprise words, knowing for sure…you can’t miss it It’s only a few comments down.

      • Buckeye Bob says:

        Well, where does this “Lady Douglas” come from?

        • Iron Will says:

          seriously Bob…holding someone’s hand has never been my strong suit…but here…


          the first comment after Jenny’s.

          • Buckeye Bob says:

            Jeeze, “holding someone’s hand”?
            I saw that and it doesn’t say a damn thing about where “Lady Douglas” comes from.
            And this is after I threw you a bone that I didn’t have to toss out.
            And after I give out a very strong account of what Forrest meant by the LGFI.
            And you’re holding my hand? Come on, man.

            • Iron Will says:

              Sorry talking about treasure after midnight shift…was wanting to get to bed this morning. I saw your answer as “I don’t see it…where is the lady Douglas comment?” , not WHY did I mention her. I mentioned her off of the subject matter of everyone hunting treasure and Forrest mentioning Mark Twain in the words. I apologize for the confusion there, but you didn’t make it clear what you were asking.

              As for the girl from India… I think she exists for one reason and one reason only. India. Forrest blatantly showed everyone a map of India that I believe is important, and TLGFI is just an avenue for him to nudge everyone in that direction. I could easily be wrong though. That’s just my thoughts on the matter.

              • Mike Forni says:

                Iron Will-

                Can you direct me to the video/post where Forrest showed a map of India? I would like to review.


                • Iron Will says:

                  I’m sorry Mike I cannot do that. At the present moment, I find it too important to the Chase. And if I publicly show it, I’m opening up possibilities to the smartest people out there. But I will tell you Its not audio or video. If it turns out that I’m wrong about this (which I very well could be), then I will show it. But that won’t be for another couple of months. I hope you understand my position as someone with the desire to solve the poem and find it.

                • Mike Forni says:

                  Iron Will-

                  Another quick question? I know Forrest likes to *twist* words. Do you think India can be twisted into Indian? Indian is a part of my solve.


                • Mike Forni says:

                  Iron Will –

                  I completely respect your position! Thanks for the helpful tips! And good luck on the Chase!

                  Cheers! Mike

                • Iron Will says:

                  about the word twist… I don’t think so, but I’ve learned not to put anything out of Forrest’s imagination.

                • Chesney says:

                  Iron Will…The most important clue is the last one. So what do you think/ suppose the last clue is?

                • Iron Will says:

                  If you are brave and in the wood, but that’s opinionated, not fact yet. 😛

                • Chesney says:

                  But that is not “The End”, of the poem. 😀

                • Chesney says:

                  Gonna be a lot of people doing laundry Sunday. Don’t buy Cutter Brand Mosquito repellent. I sprayed it on in the outhouse at HOB, and 5 minutes later went down to wash my hands in the river so I could make a sandwich, skeeter nailed me in my left shoulder. USMC tattoo nor that crap scared it. She didn’t make it though. It smells citrus like and DEET FREE… should have known better I suppose!

              • Buckeye Bob says:

                Understandable, Will. I was just as (misbegotten? Foot-in-mouthed?) as you, so no hard feelings.

                I don’t see your India map. If you find the treasure then that will certainly be a thing of key interest in the aftermath of discussion. But in my opinion Forrest used the LGFI to make the point he made, about closeness to the treasure and looking at that leads to the conclusion I stated.

                All of this is going to be interesting to talk about after the treasure is found…IF it’s found in our lifetimes.
                I have a feeling that lots of people out there have solves to one or more clues that no one else has thought about, and will blow our minds once we see them.

                Good luck in your search, except against my solve of course. 🙂

                • Iron Will says:

                  you too bud. I’ve learned to be very reserved in my confidence after last year’s debacle. So now I’m cautious about everything I see.

  41. E.C. Waters says:

    Another non-answer.

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      E.C., maybe Forrest can just tell you where it is so you can stop complaining. 😉

      • Chesney says:

        I know where it is BuckeyeBob and E.C. Waters, and not afraid to tell you and “all the world”…. It is below the “Home of Brown”. There ya go, one of y’all outta have it by nightfall! 😀

      • E.C. Waters says:

        Really Buckeye Bob? That’s your response?

        I feel so much better about myself now. Thank you. Your inspiring conversation is super motivating and quite helpful for the greater good of the chase. Kinda like Fenn’s non-responses. Makes the invested time all worthwhile reading, chock full of useable and actionable material.

  42. Mike Forni says:

    Great post Buckeye Bob!!

    Is there any possibility that the first two clues rely on sight and the other clues rely on other senses? Meaning LGFI can see the first two (Google) but cannot experience other clues without BOTG? For example, “As I go…” I = eye = 2 clues are visual. “So hear me all…” Hear = ear = 2 sound clues. “The answer I already know(s)…” Knows = nose = 2 smell clues?

    I like your interpretation better! Makes more sense!

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      Thanks Mike.
      For your question, Yes it’s possible. I, for one, don’t think that’s the case, but that’s my perspective. But yeah, until someone solves it we don’t really know.
      I sure hope that the solver will publish how they solved it so we all can know the answer to these questions.

    • Iron Will says:

      No Mike… I don’t believe there is any possibility, and here is why. Think of the 9 clues as identifiers to get to the chest. Let’s say you are right that the first 2 clues are google maps research from home. Then what about the rest? How could one assume that there are 4 or 5 “identifiers” after the first 2 that you must “see” (boots on ground) that cannot be gleaned from google earth or maps? And think about that question hard.
      Home of Brown? It’s not some brown house, because they wont last 500-1000 years. Remember he said he’s thinking that far down the road. Houses generally last 100 years before needing remodeled. So house is out…so Brown is a person that lived somewhere in the past? Or Brown Mountain, or Brown canyon… every single scenario like that…you CAN research at home. A brown rock? do you really think Forrest would trust what we would see as a rock of specific color to an all encompassing treasure hunt? Remember…what you see as brown, someone else might see as grey, or orange, or light red. And I only bring it up because we know that it is at least clue no. 3 or greater given the context of the poem preceding it.
      now what about no place for the meek? well with the inclusion of “meek” you are now looking for a named place which is…once again on google maps and/or earth. It cannot be a business store, or sign, or something transient like that.
      I think if you dwell on what I’m getting at you’ll see what I mean. It’s my opinion though, that the last 2 to 3 clues are boots on the ground to identify, because you will be at the treasure location by then. Remember, Forrest HID the chest. So at some point within the poem, you have to decipher how to unhide it. And like another Forest says… That’s all I got to say about that.

      • Mike Forni says:

        Thanks Iron Will!

        Great explanation!


        • Iron Will says:

          I will correct myself Mike… on the last 2 to 3 clues… you can solve them at home. But you have to be there to make them work, if that makes any sense :P…..Of course that’s my opinion on the matter.

          • Wisconsin Mike says:

            Iron Will,

            How goes it since Fennboree? Great to read your recent posts. Good luck on the India lead. I’d like to toss you a Brown bone. Interested? email me – use the syrup name I gave out at Fennboree.

            ~ Wisconsin Mike

            • Iron Will says:

              Heya Mike! How’s your daughter doing? Did she talk your ears off on the ride home? lol I ran into the “India” lead about 3 weeks ago. It hit me out of the blue. If you want to discuss anything just shoot me an email ironwilly@gmail.com.

  43. slycoyote says:

    Ah, Mr. Fenn returns to plowing the the same field from which he reaped such a great harvest of attention not so long ago. Little India Girl is too good to just let her fade away. The loyal chasers can’t get enough of her.

  44. Chesney says:

    If everyone was caught-up deciphering the poem like this innocent little girl from India, this “Chase might be over”… Shaking my head. Good Day Everyone… I was just puttin in my 2 sense … meant to be read the way it is spelled.

  45. jackson says:

    Hi Jenny,
    Was this post a recent request by Forrest. Or is it from old stock?
    thanks jdh

  46. Jeremy P. says:

    Receptionist: “Doctor, a little girl from India has been in the waiting room for over two hours.”
    Doctor: “Tell her I can’t see her.”


    A man is hiking along a mountain trail overlooking a huge drop off. Suddenly the ground gives way and he starts sliding. At the last moment, he is able to grab hold of a tree root, preventing him from falling straight off a cliff. There is nothing around, and all he can see is the cliff above him and jagged rocks below. As his grip grows weak, he considers his fate. “Help! Is anybody up there?”

    A soft, pretty face of a girl peers over the ledge. “Hi, mister! I’m from India.”

    The man thinks for a moment and then yells, “Is there anybody else up there?”


  47. DRT says:

    The Little Girl in Kentucky

    There was a little girl in Kentucky
    When she roamed the forest and glens
    Excited to see whats around the next bend
    That’s where she always felt lucky

    Everyone thought she was plucky
    But, time has a way of robbing ones Zen
    Long ago, were the days of Huck Finn
    She started to feel like a Yuppie

    Adventures not lost when life feels mucky
    Inspiration arrived by words from a wise man
    The Thrill of the Chase, by Forrest Fenn
    The mountains will cure a case of the “frumpies”

    Now shes content in Kentucky
    And feels just like a spring wren
    Still searching for treasure every now and again
    Researching the clues in Hush Puppies


    • Snider says:

      After two failed searches, at my for shore spot, this poem is exactly how I feel.
      Now I am not so sure about, the end is ever drawing nigh.
      Thank you for your support, but I think it will take longer than I thought. Not a good feeling.

      • Spade says:

        Snider, have more confidence. Perhaps Forrest doesn’t knows all good pirates put an X on their treasure maps. Maybe he will soon understand and be a good little pirate and do so. In the mean time hang in there and be patient, you have 1000 years to find it.

    • Jeremy P. says:

      I like your poem DRT… whereabouts in Kentucky are you from?

  48. Jeremy P. says:

    A man from New York City decides to take a vacation out west to hunt for Forrest Fenn’s gold. While out in the mountains, he encounters a little girl from India along the trail. Striking up a conversation, he says, “Hey, little girl. Forrest told us to carry a flashlight. Is it true that you can find the chest if you carry a flashlight?”

    The little girl from India replies, “Depends on where you carry the flashlight.”


  49. Andrew Jef says:

    Regardless of this hypothetical “little girl from India” concept or discussion,
    I believe that significantly more than 2 clues can be determined without leaving

    I believe that I have all the clues figured out, each one supporting ALL the’
    others. And I didn’t travel anywhere to do this. My “final specific search area”
    is about 100 ft. square, and there is not a lot of vegetation growing there.
    There are sparse trees in that location. I think if I lived in India I could do
    this same solve without leaving home.

    My solve was done online, using Google Earth, Mapquest, and referring
    (frequently) to Dal’s blog/forum.

    Of course, the physical finding of the TC will require BOTG. It’s a fairly
    long, fairly rigorous hike, in thin air. This is why I’ve been dieting for it
    (I lost more than 20 pounds for this purpose) and exercising for the
    hike as well (uphill walking, uphill bicycling).

    I expect to leave California in less than 2 weeks, and expect to return
    home about a week later. I will report the results soon thereafter.

    The above is just my opinion. Yours may differ.
    Good luck to all searchers. Please be safe.

    • Buckeye Bob says:

      Yeah, I think that the whole thing can be solved from home too. At least all the way up to the Blaze, since that might be something you have to find with BOTG.
      But again, we don’t know for sure so I don’t think we can rule out the alternatives.

    • Iron Will says:


      Please be very careful. I can keep a 160 heart rate for 2 hours straight working out, and when I went to NM for Fennboree at 8,500 ft elevation (Home elevation of 2,000 ft)… I was literally winded after walking 100 yards up the campground trail. It’s no joke the amount of high altitude sicknesses you can get these…

      Acute mountain sickness can progress to high altitude pulmonary edema (HAPE) or high altitude cerebral edema (HACE), which are potentially fatal.

      Those can occur at 10,000 feet. The body has to have time to acclimate to those higher levels.

      • Iron Will says:

        Oh just a side note on that high altitude… weight loss doesn’t mean crap. Higher altitude is less oxygen and has less air pressure. This is a two combination effect.
        1- you have to breathe twice as hard to get the same amount of oxygen because of the lack of it(what the body needs for normal circulation)
        2- your lungs have to turn into a vacuum to suck the air around you into your lungs. Before where you live that was not the case. Where you live, the air pressure outside your lungs is greater than inside…so its like just open your mouth and let the lungs expand and it’s like welcoming air into you. But at high altitudes the pressure is lower and your lungs have to forcibly suck it out of the atmosphere to get it in the lungs (because its lower than inside you).

        These 2 things cause something that no exercise on earth can beat. No weight loss can beat it. You can lose 100 lbs and it wont matter. It’s a matter of like a month of your body balancing the equilibrium of air pressures inside and out. I don’t mean to put a damper on your expedition, but if you’re not fully aware of what can happen, you can be hospitalized or worse.

        • Andrew Jef says:

          Iron Will, thank you for this information and advice. I have already taken one hike
          in this location in May 2016. After driving there from California, I was careful to
          not hike for the first day or two, in order to acclimate to the altitude. When I hiked,
          I noticed the lack of oxygen. I became quite exhausted about a quarter mile shy
          of reaching my specific (small) search area . . . then it started snowing on me!

          That’s when I decided that survival is more important than a box of gold, so I turned
          back, and felt a surprising sense of relief. I believe that I had hiked too fast for my
          own good. Next time I will move more slowly.

          Good luck to you in your search.

    • Strawshadow says:

      Good luck Andrew, be brave and in the wood.

  50. Jeremy P. says:

    (Hold on, I have one more TLGFI joke.)

    A little girl is telling jokes in a tea house in Bombay, getting a lot of laughs. Then she says, “Hold on, I have one more joke. It’s about a guy named Jeremy.”

    Suddenly someone in the back jumps up and says, “Hey! My name is Jeremy!”

    The little girl winks and says, “Oh, I’m sorry. Then, I’ll tell the joke very slowly.”


  51. Chesney says:

    Iron Will, are you one of the searchers who was within 200′ and walked right by the chest?

  52. Robert DuHadway says:

    Hey, diddle, diddle,
    The cat and the fiddle,
    The cow jumped over the Amun;

  53. Robert DuHadway says:

    edit…no edit…remove the the

  54. grizzledprospector says:

    It’s obvious to me why the Little Girl from India can’t get past the first two clues with only the poem and a map. She doesn’t have a mule like old Rufus here to help carry her gear.

  55. Ricky Nowak says:

    Tally Ho Miggie:)

  56. Snider says:

    I have got to get one of those.
    He could carry enough supplies to last me for weeks.
    And if a bear got him, I could just have a few fresh zonkey steaks.
    When life gives me lemons, I will through them as far as I can.
    Then I will walk to the nearest cherry tree. And happy I will be!!!!!

  57. MT says:

    There’s been so much talk about TLGFI, but what about going back to the basics on this “clue” too?? If memory serves, it was that she has a basic comprehension of the English language. Consider this….what if the first two clues are in english and the third clue (or more) have spanish names, e.g. Santa Fe. Accordingly, she couldn’t get closer than the first two.

  58. VGBOSS says:

    My thoughts on this:
    (Go to 6:46 mark in video)

  59. tighterfocus says:

    There’s a (confirming) hint in the map of India. FF, are you nervous?

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